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We set up a Server going back 4 Years roughly now as an "Experiment" if you will, once said Server started getting more and more people playing we found the Badmouthers, Prejudiced "You're English Face doesn't fit" Majority came out of the woodwork Server copiers down to the last Detail Including Maps not released to the Public under License only made for this Server, sound files copied and modified with Name changed, DDos attacking, using the Host Provider's fastdownloads, also modifying Maps custom made just for this Server, resulting in yet another Server with different Server config and Rules shutting down (I.E Stupid's also had the same problem), seriously OA is losing more and more players because some only play in certain Servers, once that Server has gone they leave OA as they won't play in "Certain" Servers, not to mention the Personal remarks with those remarks coming from people who have never met said person in REAL LIFE Slandering other's just because people choose to play in that Server so they Install RATS into downloads for the other Servers, with people being unaware they are Infected, they are used to DDos attack DCs like in the Netherlands for Instance without even knowing it.  Retaliation was never entered into, no matter what was done or said the only course of action was to stop these people who had been allowed to freely play without Prejudist until they started the serious DDos attacking to get people playing in their Servers I.E Zimmer for Instance whose actions resemble that of a Child spitting his/her Dummy out like a Spoilt Brat instead of an Adult yes we do know who these people DDos attacking etc are as we have the Proof the point is another Server will be gone taking away people's choice as to where they want to play for lack of Servers.

When people leave because a sever mod has shut down, then it seems OA should be kept at the core play only instead. On this way, they rather keep playing the official OA and aren't going for just 1 or a few specific servers (as new players aren't getting in contact with anything else except OA).
So OA shouldn't allow gimmick mods anymore and remain back to it's original gameplay instead.

Sorry, but no. That contradicts one of OA's main reasons of existence.

GeM,

NONE of your problems are related to ANY of the admins at Zimmr's server.

If anyone is guilty of slander it is you for falsely accusing us over and over again.

You have banned me from your server (again). Why? The reason you give is that I "condone the action of others".

This is all in your head. If you are talking about the multiple GeM server stunt with dpmaster, that was nothing to do with me and I do NOT condone such stupid, childish behaviour in any way.

Why do you just ASSUME it has anything to do with me?

All we at Zimmers are trying to do is run a nice friendly server. We have not engaged in any of the nasty, stupid "dirty tricks" you are frequently accusing us of. In fact every time Zimmer's server get's remotely popular, all of a sudden you start blaming us for every bad thing that supposedly happened to you.

Perhaps it is you who is trying to get rid of the competition?

Well, GeM, this is not a competition. There is room for more servers. I AGREE with you that YOUR server is keeping players intereted in OpenArena Instagib. Without YOUR server many people would have left already.

But that's no reason to try to kill everyone who also likes to make a good server.

P.S.

Please unban me from your server. Its a good server and I have NEVER EVER done bad by you, either to your face or behind your back. I wish no ill will towards you and I think people should stop screwing with your server.

What proof please?

You have NO proof it is us because we have NOTHING to do with this. I think you are guessing it is us.

So please post your proof.

First of all I would like to say that no one should bring servers down with Denial of Service attacks (DOS).
We are supposed to work TOGETHER and not against each other.

I am sure no one posting here did any DOS to anyone else.
Please share your evidence and take legal action if needed, period.


What I like:
I like that people start talking about the problems OA has.

First of all: OA is not dying, the player base is pretty stable on this low level.
We should be concerned about this low level, non the less.

People stop playing OA sometimes, we should not focus on that.
Bringing in NEW people is the problem OA has.

I got used to playing OA but I deinstalled it two times before I kept it on my HDD.
I expected something similar in quality of Q3, but 14 Years after the release of quake3 most of the maps suck
and do not represent what OA is capable of.

I hope we now got a basis to talk about things.

Some people contribute things to make things better, for example this forum or stats or other stuff.
I would like to throw in some names:
Cedonim3, Sergei, Siju, Zimmer, SooKee, Ali3n, L0nestarr, Aeq, FennelFetish, Panic, GrosBedo, Fromhell, Sago, ...

You GeM, insult my dear friend Zimmer, copyright your maps  -that non of the openmafia/zimmer server runs- and piss off half of what is left of the community.
If you refer to prophet :F failgun's server (pbuh) "For the stupids" with your sentence "I.E Stupid's also had the same problem",
I will tell you exactly why you are wrong there.

I dont know why you are so "Anti", but you are.
Cheer up a bit please. All I read from you in this forum is so negative, including all those bans and permabans.
Why did you ban me some days ago, I have not been on your server for a long time!

What I am looking for is solutions and people who share a desire/hobby/dream.
I am looking for solutions!

I would like to work together with people of this forum but didnt have the honor yet - besides Gig and NeonKnight helping me with my map.
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With the help of Siju, Sookee, Zimmer, Aeq and FennelFetish we are setting up a new server at the moment that will have lots of colourful stats :)

A first impression of what will come can be found here:
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I am looking forward to seeing you all on the server or in IRC #openarenahelp --- or ofc. in this forum :)

About the maps sucking.

People continually bashes OA for not being a 100% perfect game (http://openarena.ws/board/index.php?topic=4790.0) after the releases have been, well, released, and that doesn't motivate us to continue development. All we kept receiving is pure bile. We depend on the community for feedback reception but most of the feedback received either contradicted the development rules of OA or were of the unuseful "this game sucks period" kind. It's really hard to keep development going on if the people will only come to the forum to trash the game.

I've been continually making maps bearing community feedback in mind until I've received a very nasty message (http://openarena.ws/board/index.php?topic=2170.msg28443#msg28443) which ended with a "I don't give a damn about your maps" sentence. Not to mention all the things said about fromhell and the criticisms about OA not being one more of the serious/demonic/dark/gritty FPS kind or a Q3 clone artwork-wise (http://openarena.ws/board/index.php?topic=3512.0). Is this the way the community has to thank the people who develop the game?

Hi Neon_Knight!

That is a pity to hear, shame on the haters!
I too did not get any feedback or really had to ask people to get any.
And I suffer from a lack of motivation too, as things are not "fluid".

What if I set up a server only for maptesting with a feedback system?

Oh and there is the #oamapping channel in IRC!

webchat.quakenet.org/?channels=oamapping

Thanks for unbanning me GeM

Here is some data for what I mean with "Having a problem getting new players in"
http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=openarena

Kudos to Fromhell, that 2007 mountain must have motivated you as hell ...
but dont some changes to this website may be good?
Leave everything as is, but should not be the main goal of the first page be getting people into playing OA?
It takes 3-4 clicks to get to the download and you have to make decisions
(download->0.8.8->OpenArena v0.8.8 Win/Lin/Mac Unified Zip->get)

Hey let's be fair... I also come here to bash individual players too. A year on and that very rational well written article still is constantly brought up in the context of bashing. It isn't, it was constructive criticism of the community more than the game itself. I'm glad I have such a profound impact and it tickles me that I've unintentionally pissed so many people off. Maybe praise can only motivate people so far, and perhaps angst will help push the envelope in OA3.

For instance fromhell often says the OA graphics/models/textures are the "laughing stock of the game community" yet I've never heard this nor do I mind the way OA looks. But that certainly motivated him to prove the naysayers wrong and make a beautiful game in OA3. So if you think I mean to bash you, perhaps you're reading something that wasnt in my original message.

One last thing. Why does everyone take GeM so seriously? She's like an unclaimed fart. Ignore her long enough and she'll fade away. No one is DDoSing your server you paranoid cat lady. Your host just sucks, as do your communication skills. You're so mean that a single post brings this many people who despise you out of the woodwork to speak against you. Do you blame them? I blame you and I care so little I'll halt right here.

Keep up the great work OA devs

Sorry I'm writing from cell phone and I haven't yet checked the external links someone included in his posts.

However I would like to ask GeM to please use full stops (dots) and carriage return (photographs) when writing his posts. I had problems distinguish different sentences in the first post of this thread.

However...
I don't know what to tell you about that DDoS thing, what may be done against them...

Certainly, removing mod support would be against one of OA main goals.

I forgot to say:

We have no control over who runs servers. If you place your own proprietary stuff on your server, we cannot assure nobody else will re-use it, breaking your copyright. In case this happens, you may try to contact that server admin and ask him to remove your stuff from his server.
Is "do not reuse in any way (other than playing on my own X server) without my permission" clearly started into your pk3 files?

Usually, q3/oa stuff is intended as "free to use" by people, even if this is not necessarily true.
In theory, something without licensing infos should be considered as "all rights reserved", but in this environment it is often thought as "free to use" (many q3 third party stuff lacked licensing infos, however their authors wanted people to actually play their maps, otherwise they would have not created/published them).

Even running q3 mods in oa may be against q3 SDK EULA (I'm not sure, but it's quite probable)...  whoever runs a server with them does it on his own risk.

We advise to use gplv2 stuff as much as possible, and if you create something for the game, we suggest to gpl it, too... Because freedom is one of the goals of OPENArena.
Of course, you can use different licenses if you wish for your own stuff, but remember that if you created something starting from existing gpl stuff, you MUST release it under gpl, too... And in that case you cannot pretend other people to do not reuse or modify it.

Gig from cell phone.

How can a GPLv2+ game actually cooperate with  servers using copyright licenses? Looks quite odd to me.

The GPL licenses are primarily meant to be used with source code, not things like game assets or manuals. As such, it's a little difficult to "translate" the GPL terms to say engine, gamecode and .pk3 files with their included playermodels or maps.

Plugins, modules and libraries for a GPL program must be licensed under GPL as well (https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#GPLAndPlugins, "fork and exec"), unless they work as separate programs.
IANAL but you might characterize .pk3 as a module. Now for whether it's separate from OpenArena is hard to say. There are "core" assets like the gamecode (.qvm) and some menu files, a playermodel/map and such so you
can actually start a game. To run the  client/server engine binary you don't need them, but the engine would be useless without them. Then there are additional .pk3 files such as new playermodels and maps which the game does not depend on.
The .pk3 files have no way of "linking" with each other like software libraries can, so you do not have direct dependencies between them. If you have a map using texture and shader paths from Q3 it might work with id Q3's pak0, OA's assets or a replacement one like the xcsv pack, though you can load the bare map without textures/sounds as well.

tl;dr I don't know, ask Richard.

Richard who?

However, I'm not so expert with exact GPL terms, Q3 EULA, Q3 SDK EULA, Q3 GPL source code... I have some confusion in my mind, although here there is roughly what I know/can guess...

Disclaimer: There may be imprecisions. If you are experienced around OA/Q3A, probably you already know what I wrote in this post, so you can skip it. However, the title of this thread mentions a warning to new people, and new people may be unaware of this stuff.

- Q3A is a copyrighted game, for which id Software released some developer tools (Q3Radiant and something more I don't know) for letting users to create extra content to use with the game, shortly following its release.
- Later, Q3A engine and gamecode has been released under GPLv2+. This allowed the creating of derivative engines (most notably, ioquake3), and standalone games with brand new assets (such as OA).
- Q3Radiant source code is GPL'd, too, altough I don't know if there exist some "ready to use" compiled binaries from that GPL release (they do exist GTKRadiant and NetRadiant, which are GPL, but do have some differences). I'm not sure if something created today with id's old Q3Radiant should follow Q3 SDK original EULA (considering its binaries come from that time, AFAIK), or GPL (considering Q3Radiant source code is GPL'd). For this reason, my future maps (if any) will be done with NetRadiant/Q3map2, to avoid any risk.
- Q3A assets like textures, shaders, models, maps are NOT GPL'd. Example: we cannot place Q3A .md3 in GPL maps.
- If Q3A assets to continue to have the "to use only with Quake III Arena" requirement, how it is legally possible to use "ioquake3" engine to play Q3A baseq3 stuff? Ioquake3 is legally allowed to run "standalone" games like OA, but what's about its original intent, playing baseq3 and q3 mods with an advanced engine with more features? I don't know.
- Any OA mod based upon OA source code should be released under GPLv2, at least for its gamecode. For its assets instead, I think they may follow the license they prefer, but I'm not a lawyer. I don't know if one may use a single .pk3 for both (placing clear indications about which stuff uses with license inside it), or one may use a pk3 for the the GPL stuff and and additional pk3 for each different license.

YAWWWWWNNNNN

Being that GeM has decided to make such PUBLIC false accusations against us I thought it also best I make public my response the last time GeM made similar accusations well over a year ago:

This is my response to GeM and Gold by email. I think it explains the situation very well.
 


From: oasookee@gmail.com Soo Kee
To: 
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 06:47:25 +0000
Subject: FAO: GeM and Gold
 
Hi GeM, Gold.

I am writing to you because it is getting pretty obvious that you are not
getting truthful information about me and various other people.

First of all I would like to address the email that one you sent to
openarenahelp.com:


You said:
"""I've had a number of people telling me you have two of my Maps made
Especially for our Server on your to vote for Map list i.e
Watchmen/Watchmen2 and are saying YOU made them, if this is the case you
would have all the Geniune files (wouldn't you?)"""

Zimmer removed these maps from the rotation many months ago after I
explained the potential copyright problems, being that we did not know yet
if they were GPL or not. I apologize because we *should* have also removed
them from the server while we checked that. Actually I thought Zimmer had
and he says he intended to but forgot. They have now been removed.

I promise you that Zimmer has not in any way tried to pass those maps off
as his own work. In fact I am pretty sure he has not mentioned those mas to
anyone since my conversation with him several months ago when I explained
that they should to be removed from the server. WHOEVER is giving you your
information is not being truthful. And, it seems to me, that someone is
playing both of us (that is us and you) by passing on inflammatory
"information" that owes far more to their imagination than to any basis in
fact. Is someone trying to ingratiate themselves with you by telling you
stories about us? Only you know where you are getting your information
from. All I know is that there is little or no truth in it.

You said:
"""I suggest you remove them as they are not for Public Distribution, nor
did you ask MY Permission to put them on YOUR Server, if they are not
removed then it'll be taken higher, I will be contacting your VPN Provider
too..."""

They have been removed.

You said:
."""... and also STOP using GeM's Name calling her a Whore cos thats
something you would know about. """

As far as I am aware, neither I nor Zimmer have done this. I can not say
that no one has. Zimmer is actually very polite and you don't generally
hear him speaking bad of anyone. But I am not saying that I have not heard
GeM's name disparaged. And we have all, at times, had some negative things
to say about her regarding our unceremonious and mysterious bans from GeMs
server.

But I am certain you will find that truly unkind comments have not
originated with me or Zimmer. People often pop in to the IRC channels we
frequent and they are upset because they have been kicked or banned from
GeMs server and they don't know why. And I have definitely heard GeMs name
taken in vain a few times. But please don't blame either Zimmer or myself
for the words of other people.


Secondly I would like to address something I was told you have said on
GeM's forum. I have not read the post myself but apparently I have been
accused of hacking GeM's server?

This is absolutely false. I am not a child and I have no interest in petty
rivalries and stupid attacks between "our gang" and "your gang". This is
playground behavior. Once again it seems to me that someone is whispering
things in your ear that are absolutely not true in order to ingratiate
themselves with you or simply to cause drama, or whatever other reason
children find to spread silly tattle. I think you should ask yourselves if
you are not being manipulated by one or more of the people feeding you
information?


Now I would like to address older issues that go back to when I was helping
GOOGLE admin his server:


While we are on the subject of hacking, back when GOOGLE was running his
server it was being hacked almost every night. Because of that I wrote some
software to monitor the server and log suspicious activity. As a result I
gathered quite a lot of evidence of a regular hacking campaign. I will now
provide you with some of the information I gathered.

I have a number of IP addresses and locations from the attacker. Mostly
they are located in the north of England around the Hull area (Kingston
upon Hull, Skipton, Beverly...).

The attacker frequently joined GOOGLE's server using the name
^0UnnamedPlayer before changing it to some other alias. It is also a fact
that a person using that same name was frequently on GeM's server. I don't
know who it is but it is obviously someone that either one or both of you
know. But I dare say you probably did not know what they were doing to
GOOGLE's server almost every night.

Because of all the attacks to GOOGLE's server there was a lot of
speculation that you guys or someone from your entourage were behind it.
Only you guys are likely to know who this mysterious "^0UnnamedPlayer" is
who appears to hale from the Hull area in the UK. You should know, assuming
that you don't, that he/she was regularly hacking GOOGLE's server at a time
when we were being accused of hacking your server (yes we heard those
rumors about us).

Maybe someone was hacking BOTH our servers and playing us off against one
another?

I am beginning to think more and more that that is the case. It certainly
explains most from what I can see.

At that time I actually had more than enough information to take to the
police and at the time I strongly advised GOOGLE to do just that. The ONLY
reason I did not go to the police is that GOOGLE talked me out of it. Now
GOOGLE is a REALLY, REALLY NICE guy. He was a great friend to GeM,
supporting her and her server back in the days when everyone started using
ROFL servers rather than GeMs. I am guessing that, like Zimmer, you guys
have been given false/misleading information about GOOGLE in the past.

Now, I sincerely hope I have given you guys some food for thought about
what is *actually* going on here. I *really* hope to impress on you that
neither I, nor Zimmer, nor GOOGLE have had anything whatsoever to do with
any attacks on your server and that we also have been victims of such
attacks. I want you to realize that Zimmer, GOOGLE and myself are probably
among the least likely to intentionally cause trouble or grief for others.
The truth is that we are among the more stabilizing influences in the
community.

Zimmer, in particular, is doing quite a lot to pull the OA community
together with his initiative at http://openarenahelp.com. He, and those of
us who are helping him, are trying to foster a spirit of friendship and
cooperation between OA players. We are truly the *last* people to be
getting involved in childish "your gang verses our gang" exploits.

And speaking of openarenahelp, quite a few people are showing interest and
I, for one, would welcome you both to come along and take a look. We meet
using IRC on QuakeNet in #openarenahelp.

I don't know if you are familiar with IRC, but one easy way to access it is
using this special web-page: http://webchat.quakenet.org

Type in a nickname for yourself and type in #openarenahelp as the channel.

You both have very good OA skills and the idea is to help new players to
gain skills so that they learn to enjoy the game and hopefully stick
around. We want to try to grow the OA community and try to make it more
popular. So experience veterans like yourselves surely have something to
contribute?

Regardless, I sincerely hope you realize that none of us wish you any bad
will. All we want to do is play OA in a friendly atmosphere with as little
drama as possible.

Best Regards,

- SooKee.

oasookee@gmail.com

I never found GeM unfriendly or abusing her mod pover. Whenever i played on her server. Everything was smooth. I really dont understand all this hate created on GeM. (mosty on #openarenahelp) I really dislike if someone talk shit about other ppl and even public here. The problem with OA is mostly bcz there is 0 competition and 100 % drama trying convince play ppl on server there and there (example MOTD on zimm's "The friendly server"). Yes this is nice MOTD really, trolling even over hosting server. All this wannabe old stupid players which just find funny troll GeM and make delusional for new peoples could quit forever or start think about yourself. Try run OA strong make Leagues, promote on esreality.com, if you will just trying find fails in OA and other ppl. Then will probably OA there where is for long time. On bottom of all modifications for Q3.

There is some truth in capo's post!

I often get this error that persists for minutes/hours/ a day:
The last posting from your IP was less than 42 seconds ago. Please try again later.
Any ideas?

That's simple flood control.   It's possible your browser is sending more than once on submit.


No you're not banned and no one else posted with your IP.

There seems to be quite some heat in this discussion :D But there are very strange things said by OP which kind of seem "unrealistic" from a technical point of view.


First I needed to understand what a "RAT" is.

http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/definition/RAT-remote-access-Trojan

Wow! This sounds very bad actually.
"so they Install RATS into downloads for the other Servers" - If someone can manipulate the downloads of a server this means that an attacker has already remote access to said server. You say that this happens on multiple servers, so that would mean that there is a known exploit for openarena-server? I couldn't find anything like that on the bugtracker or anything. Could you describe this more as this is a severe vulnerability for the whole openarena scene.

"they are used to DDos attack DCs like in the Netherlands for Instance without even knowing it"
You were talking about the manipulated downloads before and know are talking about a botnet behaviour. This would mean that there are possibilities for any server administrator to install a Trojan to any openarena player on said server. Can any developer say something about this as this sound quite unrealistic from a technical and logical point of view.


You are talking here about DDoS and accusing and insulting a well known other server administrator. Please conform to the rules of the forum and apologize:


If you don't accept the rules there are enough other forums which you can join.

If we look at it again from a technical point of view the server hosts multiple different games. If we choose just ONE different game on this server and look at the statistics we see that there are around 30 people at once alone on just ONE of those servers hosted on the same machine: https://www.gametracker.com/server_info/213.163.83.191:28961/
It is well known that these kind of vHosters are easily well at their capacity.



Ouch. You seem to have missed the core philosophy and reason why OpenArena exists. You may consider reevaluating what the "Open" stands for. It doesn't stand for egoistic and non-sharing ;). No.


I wanted to play yesterday on Zimmer's for example as I like the statistic and the whole katina system which is really great. The server was full. But you know what? I could join an other server and it was no problem. If I look at the server list now again I can see that there 14/20 Players online for example on that server.
This clearly shows me that people play this game the same way as usual. I actually don't understand the harassment by OP.

It would be nice of the administration to check for the exploitability of openarena as it is said here. For a new user this would stop me from playing this game. And this post ist clearly directed only at new players.

But from a technical and logical point of view this all sounds like a trolling. I think the administration should take action for not complying to the rules and actually hurting the scene of OpenArena.

I really love this game and would hate to see it destroyed by this kind of lies and fear mongering. I would not host any server as it is not clear if this is just some trolling by someone or if there are really some MAJOR security vulnerabilities which could break the neck of the scene.

Sure rainbow I'll answer your "Post" after sending u a private message on the Assumption that I thought u were actually someone else as u seem to be using their Name, that person wouldn't be so quick to take the Moral high ground as u appear to have, omg stop making me out to be the bad Apple I'm not the one Slandering neither did I use Defamation of Character remarks about certain people, Slander is when the remarks r Untrue, but it seems theres One Rule for One and another for Someone else, its ok for others to Slander, take someone else's Name in Vain etc just goes to show certain people r/were just looking for an excuse to attack in a Negative way WITHOUT knowing the whole story.

I think its getting off the real Subject here its not about "My Dads bigger than your Dad" its about people playing where they want to without being Brainwashed by Negative comments from others, don't be Naive enough to believe what u see being typed as the whole Truth, make your own minds up, the point being made was that during the Time the Server was running as soon as more players started playing there, the comments, DDos attacks etc started, along with the GeMs this, GeMs that Syndrome form people who have never met me in REAL Life, what you're liike in a Game doesn't you're the same in the real world, its just a Game so Personal comments(unless you've actually met the person)concerned and know them well THEN u have the right to comments.  Topic closed I think as there is no more GeM's.

You mean like you falsely accusing the admins of ZimsNEW server in order to stop people from playing there? You created this whole thread to make "negative comments" about us so that people would not want to use our server.

And your tactic has worked with some people. We have even had one loony making some kind of death threat against us in our IRC channel.


Why are you doing this to us?


I don't care what "circumstantial evidence" you think you have. Maybe some of the people who don't like you only start to attack your server when they think they have a viable alternative? After all its difficult to get a good game on an empty server so your server was the only option for a lot of people. Perhaps if you were not quite so rude to some the people who played on your server and treated them with a little more respect there would not be so many insta players out there who dislike you. And there are plenty of insta players out there who dislike you. That's nothing to do with us. That's on you.

Your hatred towards us is thoroughly misdirected. I have no animosity towards you. I have never done anything malicious towards you. I have not encouraged anyone to dislike you. I have even (occasionally) argued in your defence. Using this DB as a public forum to turn people against us is just not fair.

The way you have chosen to handle this is so wrong on so many levels. Instead of talking to us about it you decided to wage a war against us telling everyone we are bad people trying to hurt you. You are doing this in order to stop them from using our server. You are the aggressor here.

We have done NOTHING in return. Nothing other than try to talk to you and to explain that what you are telling people is completely untrue.

All we are doing is trying to make our server the best it can be. What we do we contribute to the OA community as a whole. So the software we write and the maps that we build are all GPL and free for anyone to use. We are hoping for a day when there are MORE instagib servers, not fewer.

Hello OP and thank you for your answer. First off please try to use the modify button instead of double posting. And PLEASE use some periods. This is nearly unreadable.




OP these rules are for everyone here on the forum. I don't know why you think they wouldn't apply to you. From an objective point of view there only seems aggressiveness from your side for whatever reasons. As the guys who you accused answered, you seem to be just trying to hurt "competition". Let me tell you that we are a scene of around not even 1000 different active people. There is no competition here. The heart of the open source community is to work together.



I have been on those other servers and there was never anything bad actually. People still play wherever they want so why are you trying to stop people from playing on those of the Zimmer guy?
Talking about negative comments. Is there anything more negative than your posts on this forum? It seems more like someone is trolling here.



Don't you see a connection between many people playing on your server + many people playing on other servers may be the reason why the server load was high on a server which hosts multiple games? :D I mean, instead you make the connection that you get a DoS-attack. It is like the situation where someone forgets a pen at home and accuses everyone at work that they stole it. OP you should maybe calm down and be a little rationale.



Wrong. If you have a bad personality you won't be nice ingame or else anywhere. If you are a nice and fair person you are fair ingame or whereever, too. Simple psychology. I would say there is a low percentage of the behaviour you are talking about. Not everyone has a split personality.


Yes OP. You are 100% right here. And in conclusion let me tell you that it looks like you are lieing.

I asked you to answer me because you said there are major vulnerabilities in the game of OpenArena. You fail to even talk about that in your answer, instead you start again with your rant.

This topic should needs to stay open as security vulnerabilities are a very important matter. Also we have the possibility to fix it.  It is said by OP that it is possible to install Trojans on clients and using them in a bot network. We need more information on this OP, not on your personal flame war.

Please answer as soon as possible to fix this issue.

edit: Just saw another topic: http://openarena.ws/board/index.php?topic=4864.25

It's about OP and it seems like it's not the first time of acting like this. Actions should be taken if the thing about the security vulnerabilities is just a lie. I don't understand why some people thing it is funny to destroy a small scene of players. :(

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Don't backseat moderate.  There will be something else that will be closed.  I don't appreciate the FUD victim act, and i'm far more familiar with Rainbow than I am with you and your antics.

I've you're being an asshole on the internet I don't care whether you're actually a nice guy or girl in the real world.

I'm pretty certain this is just FUD. The only thing I've ever downloaded from Zimmer's or any other servers are .pk3 files via autodownload. While there are in theory possibilities that there are flaws with e.g. the jpeg/png/ogg/wav decoder, the QVM interpreter etc. I doubt that. I have not seen any such serious bug in (io)q3 in a long time and even if people would have such an exploit, why do something lowly as DDos'ing some OA server when you can have credit card data, e-mails and mine some bitcoins? If you'd like to get an OA server down via DDos then it's much easier to just rent an existing botnet instead of infecting only a small number of users of some of the other OA servers with your RAT.

For good measurement, let's try this: "ZimsNEW Instantgib" has http://openmafia.org/~zimmer/ set as sv_dlURL

• http://openmafia.org/~zimmer/baseoa/13vast.pk3 -> https://www.virustotal.com/en/url/7d1d6146eb4b43eff9254192784a45fcc94a045b0991ab5f907f937f9d6c0064/analysis/1400882397/
• http://openmafia.org/~zimmer/baseoa/17+ctf.pk3 -> https://www.virustotal.com/en/url/5d004154cd9cd1eb55cd76ef3c04ecd512346e2e652ee275f145293d4a3e0f46/analysis/1400882483/
• http://openmafia.org/~zimmer/baseoa/Nukeville.pk3 -> https://www.virustotal.com/en/url/03cd640307759021b4b2e6e501e7806178a40fc9c9c5ca2e55878c9db25037e6/analysis/1400882533/
• ..

No matches at all, surprise?

I was asking him per private message about the exploit and vulnerability presented here but the only thing I got as answer was:



I wasn't asking what a RAT is as I was even the person who posted the information what a RAT is already in this same thread.
I mean it's always possible that there are 0days somewhere in software but why would someone use it for DDoS if you already have remote command execution. It's like making a pizza and then just eating the crust of a pizza. :D

I don't really care for your personal war. Just use eMails or whatever private messaging systems but stop using this forum for your fear mongering and spreading insecurities to new users. I mean we don't even have many players and now you write "Warnings" to new users about people getting Trojans if they join game servers. This is not cool and not really helpful at all for the community.
I understand that the adminstration doesn't care for all the drama "ingame" but I think if people do this kind of things on the official forum there should be a point where it's enough. I mean okay we all are technical people but there might be just ONE person who get stopped using the game because of this fear mongering.

Yes, that one person matters for me.

I wish everyone a happy weekend, no matter what happened this week here.

edit: Searching for the name I actually found something interesting:

http://god-oa.de/smf/index.php?action=printpage;topic=1389.45


That is quite interesting in this context now :)

Beside getting out of that clan so fast because of an incident :D


edit 2: Okay everyone. That guy send me a pm with the security advisory for the remote command execution bug and I think I should post it here for everyone to secure their "openarena" :D



I'm getting trolled here, right? :D

I'll state the obvious; this is either some beginner level trolling or just an idiot.

The mentioned bug seems to be CVE-2011-1866 (https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2011-1866) but it is in no way related to OpenArena. The rest seems to be quoted from a Metasploit module (http://www.rapid7.com/db/modules/exploit/unix/misc/qnx_qconn_exec), which does not apply to OpenArena either.

So far GeM has been accusing Zimmer and others of spreading malware via downloads for OpenArena, but has not given proof or evidence. When being asked for some technical details, all we got was some bullshit which seems to be copied from random search results for "exploit".
You can still consider OpenArena/ioquake3 downloads and its in-game autodownloads to be secure unless proven otherwise.

Argh sorry I got pulled into this drama as soon as I read the thing about the vulnerability. What a waste of time actually ...

At least now I know that everything is still secure. Not sure what's wrong with you OP.

Only thing left to say:

Is thereany kind of function on this website to ignore such drama queen topics on the forums? I'm pretty tired of things which could rather be discussed on a private IRC channel.

Can we get a Mod/Admin to lock/delete or move this stupid thread?  Definitely a club-nub candidate. 
(http://smileys.emoticonsonly.com/emoticons/t/transformer_gun-2431.gif)

My Sentiments exactly SharpestTool, rainbow not doubt someone Incognito asked me a question and rather than posting it in the forum, as it was asked in private, was replied to in private, the answer was was C & P'd, I myself know little about this Subject, I'm not bitter and twisted enough to even attempt this action.  SooKee I have no idea who that was, but it cdertainly had nothing to do with me, as I said before I wouldn't be such a Hypocrite to bitch about someone or their Servers then go into that Server expecting to be Welcomed, however this is exactly what you yourself and even Zimmer have done so please get over it how old are you, we're not that Determined to have players in the Server, if people play here they play, its a Game, the Server is for ourselves too, we won't play elsewhere when we know whats been said.  Please carry on with your attempt at OA Domination you know who you are.   ::)

Just a small note:
about the "possible security issues?" thing, just a link to a topic that may be related: http://openarena.ws/board/index.php?topic=4725.0

Then you shouldn't start spreading this kind of rumours and trying to give new users an insecure feeling about OA. That's sick.


I think these guys have said multiple times that you should stop accusing them of various things. And lol about the OA Domination part. Bad Sookee :D

How old are you OP? 14? Use some periods. It's really hard to read your bashing.

I still, honestly, have no idea what you think I have done or said against you. When have I "bitched about you" and what did I say? Are you still relying on third hand information?

While we are on the subject of OA Domination and the eyes of the entire OA community are upon us. Let me take this opportunity to introduce the server we (lets call us The Zimmer Collective) are running and building on. The very server that is being disparaged in this thread.

Here it is: http://dpmaster.deathmask.net/?game=openarena&server=144.76.100.87:27960

We have a slightly modified game server that allows us to collect a whole bunch of weird and wonderful stats. To complement this we have a server-side 'bot' managing some of those stats and providing a user interface to other 'features'.

Some of the features are:

We are trying to emphasise capturing flags rather than racking up points by announcing how many flags each person has who captures a flag and by printing to the console the flag scores for each player at the end of the game.

Various user commands:
!request - players can log a request by typing !request <a new map for example> into the console.
!love map, !hate map - players can let us know how they feel about each map. We select the rotation based on that.
!stats - players get a readout of their stats for that map: FH (Frags/hour), CH (Caps/hour), AC (accuracy),  SP (average speed) SK (Skill rating)

The server also issues "push" messages to the console so you know who on your team pushed you.
We fixed the !mute command so server admins can squelch those annoying spamers while still allowing them to play.

Callvoting results are now more prominent being centre printed on everyone's screen.

Your in game stats appear here: http://77.237.250.186:81/webkatti/oa-ictf (http://77.237.250.186:81/webkatti/oa-ictf)

The name that you will be listed by is the last name you connected with or the name you registered using !register.

Wing wrote a whole piece about the server here: http://live-clan.de/open-arena-news/insta-ctf-2-0-zim%27s-newopenmafia-!/msg5867 (http://live-clan.de/open-arena-news/insta-ctf-2-0-zim%27s-newopenmafia-!/msg5867)

ADMINISTRATION:

We are trying to be good administrators. We even wrote ourselves a code of conduct whereby we do not act like tyrants. We are trying to always be polite when asking people to stop misbehaving. We are also trying to properly explain what they are doing wrong and why before taking action. If people are abusive to us we try to take the moral high ground and ignore them. We won't kick people just because they swore at us or said something negative about us. Sometimes people just like to vent. We want admin actions to be an absolute last resort.

And GeM, you are WELCOME to play on our server regardless of what you have said about me and others in this forum or behind our backs. As long as you behave on the server there is no reason why you can't play there. I honestly don't care what you have said about me and I am happy to forget and move on.

*YAWNS* @ Sookee :P