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Hi all,

I'm very new to OA (I loved to play Q3A) an have some maybe stupit Questions:

1. I always get the "Invalid Game Folder" Message. The wiki tells that the server has another Version. But as the Server has displayed 0.7.6 (that's the version I've installed) in the ServerName I think it is possible that the server has a mod enabled? I've the problem in 7 of 10 Servers (very often). So the only way I can play is just search for a working one. Whats up with this?

2. When somebody leaves the game without quitting (hardware-reset), he will still be in the game. It's very bad on last man standing games, as he always will be the last player. The real last player can only suizide

Please forgive my bad english ;-)

You are not alone, it's impossible to ask a stupid question here. 0.71 the curent working version, unles you lile bugs and hot fixes etc. The community is on 0.7.1. I'm sorry :( Its so frustrating.

There is a hot fix for 7.6 but I doubt the admins like to play with fire when things are just fine the way they are :S

Server admins are lazy and aren't aware of 0.7.6.

You know skanky, telling people to stick with 0.7.1 isn't really encouraging development. It's basically a 'fuck off' to the efforts we're going through to keep new. It also spreads the mentality that older is better because it's more vulnerable to old security issues. Great logic. You surely are the sage to go to.

fromhell

I fully support the development of OA. I find it really frustrating that these new people are being advised to enter into what I understand is a test zone, which the 'community' have expressed their own concerns. I believe that part of the community are trying to help.

I respect the work of all the developers. I know it is difficult when working a product and dedicating so much time and effort only to get slapped with critisism at the end result. You don't deserve that. I also know it is a very thankless task and takes alot of guts and determination to move forward. I have made changes to my sites that people didn't like. It cost me dearly. I had best intentions. I got not one single bit of positive feedback.

You are right about one thing, the admins are lazy :) Well lets be fair, lets some some of the admins are lazy, some of the admins are cautious about the release, some of the admins arent even aware of this release. I do know servers running in various locations which are basically left on their own, they run quite happilly while the admin may be extremelly busy with real life.

I enjoy Q3 Version 1.16 and OpenArena. The Quake3 1.16n Point Release was released in the year 2000

Using your logic, are the admins of these servers using a release from 8 years ago really so lazy? I just don't want OA to fall apart. I do no not want to see it fail like 1.32. I'm not saying 1.32 is dead, but it just all went in all sorts of directions and split up good communities. Now there is a chance to learn lessons from the past.

Let me quote Maverick comments on his NoGhost product on the noghost.net page :


oh, there's a note here about how he went about his upgrade, fuck they dont even have download mechanism or the integrated security. How the hell do they survive?




The irony is that many 1.16 players venture out to 1.32.. give them 24 hours, they'll be back. Same applies with the people who done the same with Q4. I told them they would be back, they told me I was wrong. I have never been wrong. These people know who they are, and although some of these people don't give a shit about what I have to say, I will drag them here by the ear and make them say it loud and clear, and perhaps they have different opinions regarding development and your own advice of the methods you use to push OA forward. If you want a real challenge, why not start from ground level and make a rather demanding suggestion/instruction that server operators and players to upgrade. I don't think you would come out alive.

I know OA is different, you are entitled and certainly have earned the right to do as you choose. I have been amazed at what the team have produced to date. I would like to help and protect the development. But I do not want new players to be presented by tumble weeds and be rather confused what the multiplayer function actually does.

For the record, I did not feel comfortable with this message here : http://openarena.ws/board/index.php?topic=1740.0

I found this rather arrogant and applicable to those who have a mentality like a sheep. Sometimes suprises like this are done as tests, because you know yourself. There are some people who will believe any shit you tell them, and what you have today, might be a pile of shit tomorrow.

One of the biggest suprises is that I did not recall any specific update to security? Can you elaborate as this is one of the main reasons why I found this update a very silly one. I can strike through every single item in your update as non-essential engine items. And if the GPL hippies want to start on me because they refuse to play on 90% of server because they are using non GPL mods then please do with caution.

I am supporting the  stable release, as I feel that the the efforts and of the development team should be protected because what I see is light years ahead of what I *continue* to support, a release from the year 2000.

It is not a big FUCK OFF as you put it. You should consider it a compliment that people feel this way with the efforts and work to date.

If you want to make these comments regarding 'older is better' - then why do you say you want to protect the core gameplay, when you are doing no such thing. Now that you have now thrown the fear factor down as your next card then shouldn't we be aware of the risks? This topic tends to scare many people, but not me. I have become a victim of security flaws many times and damage limitation is my way forward. I have my trust and faith in 0.7.1. Did you read my post where I suggested that there be a post informing us that everyone is happy and it's all good to go. Well this update cost me 3 nights of server changes along with my admin. I owe him big time because of you, I dont care for myself, but I do care about others when it is my own responsibility.


aaah.. think i'll go sit out in the garden such a beautiful day. I cant be arsed doing anything today. :) I maybe lazy but I believe my heart is in the right place and I believe my intentions are good ones. I just want to feel secure, and it's your challenge to make feel confident that I am in safe hands :)

Nooooo.... please dont sulk over this issue - you can do better. The monsters dont go away when you close your eyes. Lets try and help and work with each other to get rid of these shitty problems.

there is no way to 'fix' the invalid game folder issue unless every server is up to date.

might be an idea to make the error message more detailed. maybe add something like "this might occur when your version does not match the server".

or

add a marker in the serverbrowser that marks what version the server is running

fromhell do u feel like ArQon sumtimes?... ;D

maybe changing the protocol number for 0.7.7 will be a good idea, it'll weed out those who are lazy on the list

yaaaay.. thank you so much :D

Thanks for the replies. So I see, it'll be better to install both versions: stable and 0.7.6...

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You cant call it development if we consider the "failures" that the new release has compared with 0.7.1.
That "lazy" ppl as you call US, dont want to go 0.7.7 cause we've already tried it and we prefer 0.7.1.

If your intention is to improve this game, and you have received several notifications about 0.7.1 as better than 0.7.7, then why dont we just add the new models, maps and textures instead of changing the "core" of the game itself?

In that way we can evolve, but following the right path, a path started with 0.7.1...

You are very wrong.
How the fuck is 0.7.1 better than 0.7.7?!
There are virtually NO CHANGES, apart from a few models etc.

"then why dont we just add the new models, maps and textures instead of changing the "core" of the game itself?"
Because the maps,models, textures ARE the core of the game. 0.7.7 is only a BINARY patch, which is NOT the real core of the game, as you can still play baseoa 0.7.6 (which is the same as baseoa 0.7.7) on any binary.

"That "lazy" ppl as you call US, dont want to go 0.7.7 cause we've already tried it and we prefer 0.7.1."
You prefer 0.7.1 because it is more played.

"In that way we can evolve, but following the right path, a path started with 0.7.1..."
We CANNOT continue from 0.7.1 because it is exactly like continuing from 0.7.6/0.7.7, and STILL NOBODY WILL UPDATE OR PLAY BECAUSE IT IS EXACTLY THE SAME THING AS THE 0.7.1->0.7.6/7

Your post just emits rays of bullshit :P

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0.77 fucked up the sensitivity, and I dont mean just the value changed.
more models count for shit, and is inconsequential compared to gameplay.

I really appreciate the autojoin feature and the added maps however

Thanks for that..
And kick52, whatever, I dont play 0.7.1 only cause its the most played version, I play it cause its the most stable.
Maybe im wrong, but I prefer "to say bullshit" ( as u call it ) than being an ass-licker.! :P

If 0.7.7 were a stable and good version, better than 0.7.1 then this forums wouldnt have LOTS of threads talking about 0.7.7 problems and a low quality compared with 0.7.1 (im not saying 0.7.1 had no troubles, in case anyone wants to discuss that)

It would be great if we consider the best parts of each release and the "valuable" suggestions from the players and put it for the 0.8.0 release. But, of course if you and some other ppl think our suggestions are BULLSHIT then, 0.8.0 wont be as cool as we hope... :(

Ps: Why dont we start a poll about removing Vertex or not?
Are the developers taking seriously the poll about the "new SDL input"?

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:I of course im saying thx to you for saying it....

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There's also new gametypes but since everyone is simple-brained apparently no one cares for that

there's also a dm17 ripoff!

there's also a dm17 ripoff!

^^ that sounds tempting :)


There's also new gametypes but since everyone is simple-brained apparently no one cares for that


^^ Just give it some time damnit! Who knows, what if there was a release during the development cycle which everyone wanted to play and was highly succesful. If that version happened to be in the middle of the dev cycle would you consider it a failure because it might be different from whatever stage the game is at.

Why waste time creating gametypes if you know everyone is simple-minded? That makes you one of the simpletons too, well you did state 'everyone' so no offence taken

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By "NO CHANGES", I meant that there is nothing that will affect what you previously could do. There were new things added, though nothing was modified. (much)

Hehe... I could say then... Im going to upgrade to 0.7.7 (not) :P

Funny how viewpoints can be so different.

Anyway I think it's very false to say the new versions brings only "minor engine changes". Just the unlaggued feature is enough to legitimate these new versions, and, even if they aren't perfect, this is not the only new great feature.

But I think that all this assle could be easily avoided just by a better organization. Why not following the normal professional development process (that would be normal for a professional developped game as you said fromhell).

What I mean is that when a new version comes out, it should be marked as an alpha/unstable and be tested on only some servers, then take the feedback and release a stable release. It doesn't take more time at all, and will avoid these problems. It's just a matter of organization.

What you do is great fromhell, but please take in account the community, you won't regret it.

You mean put everyone on crunch, whip everyone constantly, then abandon the project on release and never go back again? And also ban everyone with opinions on the board? (Hey it worked for Splash Damage)

what a strange answer. as if proper testing of a new version wouldn't benefit the project?

bugs in both 0.7.0 and 0.7.6 could've been discovered and fixed before they were released.

we now have a community divided over at least four versions (0.7.0, 0.7.1, 0.7.6, 0.7.7). what if we get a sudden 0.8.0 release with bugs?

oh wait, no problem! let's just release a 0.8.1!

i'd like to know where this whole "0.7.7 is bad" mindset comes from

people who complain about 0.7.7 can never seem to name any specific issues – it's always "it feels different" or "it's buggy." of course it won't get any better if you don't report bugs and suggest fixes

with the maturity level of some players i wouldn't be surprised if the only reason they play openarena is because their parents won't buy them quake 3

for 0.8.0 release i'm gonna have some epic things done for that

i'm going to mass mail everyone on the forums about it. hey, some other games forums do it too so why not mine

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The guys and gals on IRC channel test no?

Name and shame I say :D It took me 10 mins to find the fs_ cvar issue.. but now it kinda figures... irc people. I guess all the feedback is in cyberspace chat logs.

I just don't understand why you're so aggressive. I'm telling you some ideas and all you do is slap me back in the face. I won't ask you why you have this behaviour, you have your own problems like everyone, but people aren't here to suffer from them.

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i think everyone should upgrade to the newest version, and give feedback to the development team (both + & -).  This is how games become better over time.  I personally OK with whatever kind of roadmap and release cycle the Open Arena Team decides to use.  They are the ones donating their Time, Knowledge, & Energy to creating one of the best GNU games on the planet.  Good work team.  I think Open Arena is getting better. I have been playing since the .60 version, and am satisfied with the development progress.  If you are not satisfied with the development - join them instead of bitching about Everything.

The new game types are a nice addition, and make the game more interesting.

I am in the process of setting up a dedicated dell server, it should be online next week.  I will be running a public Open Arena server, and it will be .77.  I am absolutely certain I will be setting up a Open Arena NIQ3 server.

fromhell, I emailed the author of NIQ3 and ask him what the license is.  If it was gpl'd it would be a Great mod to Include with the game, as it is only 1.9mb.  It rocks!

Game Not Over,
SlippJigg

Hiya People,

Im new to this game spinoff (installed it yesterday)
I Play q3a and got bored a bit.
I read about versions and maps on this forum and looks to me like its a bit of a mess.(one says this one says that)
I downloaded the latest version but only a few Server are Out there.

Questions:
 What version is most used?
 Are there any real good mappacks and where do i find them?
 I like color in my name like in Q3a but the Shift+6 = ^ does not work for me in console ( any tips helpfull)

Thanks for any help

PS. where is my picture of that crazy tattoo?  Must be an admin deleting it? Why?,to "in your face"?
Why is bad language accepted,..like fuck off, shit bullshit etc??? because it is not so in your face because you have to accually read it and take an effort in reading it?

HYPOCRATIE,

And never mind helping me out , i read some more and its all about some peoplees ego in "listening to to playersuggestions and fix bugs etc"
Well,..all i see is the same crap that was going on in q3a and its updates.
People who know how to tweak settings and so on ,..like developers and techies Make it Die in the end cus they think they know it all,... when will people listen to the regular players who think its all fine ,...
Just Stop updates ,....Release all the bugs and how to make advantage of it and explaining what the bugs exactly do so "non techies"can use them aswell so we all are in the same boats without having to update every frign time someone things it needs to be fixed my god You people ruin the game yourselfes But i guess yer heads are up the game so much you dont even see that.

All in the name of,..It can be better,smoother etc??

If this quake engine is so good why you people have to change Things all the time?? im no techie as you can imagine.
I can imagine you have to test new games/spinoffs but test them better before you release them  by PLayers and developers Make a chatforum and discuss the things you notice instead of putting them in a forum like this because ,...........  Oh fuck it
 And thats what i have to say about that

Cant be arsed into this  You kno what i mean

(wonders if anyone cares and reacts)

Greatz and frag ya  anyway

Hi lml{-_-}lml
i haven't been here for very long though i am aware of the following links which could be of some use to you.

http://openarena.ws/board/index.php?topic=1651.0 (http://openarena.ws/board/index.php?topic=1651.0)
http://openarena.ws/board/index.php?topic=1690.0 (http://openarena.ws/board/index.php?topic=1690.0)

This thread is getting read a real lot and i bet the other readers are not getting what they were looking for in the title, not good.
You raised some really interesting points and i do hope that they are taken on and thought about. A mechanism for new players to access the info they want quick would save a lot of trouble. Players need to know  how to do things without trudging through post after post and coming up with a negative.

This is the first place people look, so if a few people from here put their thoughts together and mined the posts for the info they need, a really fucking good read me could be done and put in a prominent location i am sure. RAZ3R u out there.
i saw your avatar, neat pic is it a real tattoo was my reaction, but i thought you will never get away with it lol. You do realise that any admin on a general audience view site is going to take it down, i worried about mine when i put it up but culture seems to tolerate violence much more than sexuality.

Good luck and  frag u back

Hiya Kr3am,

Thanks for the backup
About that tattoo ,yes its a real tattoo :D. I thought it was very well done and an original work of art that you dont see nornaly on that scale,thats what i liked about it. To bad the admins cant apriciate the Art-side of it (thinking of sensoring it and put it back as avatar :P)

I found the mappack from w1zrd (Nice Job w1z thank you for your effort) so i have most of the maps played on here(i think)
But,.......I put them in my baseoa without subfolders but it seems something went wrong cus i cant see them when i try single player mode to Learn the maps a little :S,.......... ANY suggestions?

The version I got is the latest and cant be arsed to go d/l the earlier versions

The colorcoding is still a mystery to me. Like i sed before,..the ^ does not show when i type it in console,....DO I need to REINSTALL??,......sUGGESTIONS PLEASE (BLOODY CRAPSLOCK!) *crapslock Off* :P

Kr3am the first thing I do when i see you is rail you in the face :P
The second thing will be ,..saying hello ;)

Greatz _-*HoaX*-_ 

About the colors thing, have you tried going to setup and doing it there coz i just tied it and if i type k^1r3am i get the white k with the rest in red.

i dunno about the maps though and warning i am handy with that saw :)

Yes I tried changing it in the setup but still the ^ does not show :S
Also i tried to find the config file (like in Q3a its called q3config discription cfg-file),so I could try to change it there ,..I cant find it anywhere.
The only thing for me to do is start from scratch,..meaning i deleted all OA components and re-downloading them.
First time I d/l-ed them from the moBd site,..now i try the Tuxfamily site
Hopefully That will solve the problem.

Oh and sensoring the picture became ugly so ,..fek it ;)

Well reinstalling didnt help, so I messed about on the key board and finaly I got it working
First I have to push the Insert button then ^ then spacebar,.....LOL!

What a mess......LOL!

Thanks for the tips Kr3am.

Now im going to hunt for that Skin glow-pack i saw somewhere :D

Greatz

Wow that's tarded lol.
Have you tried doing a search for q3config, i dunno where it puts it coz i run the game straight from a folder on my desktop and it is in the baseoa folder.
Maybe it is not getting created when u run the game.

I wont even try a search because I bet a only get the q3cfg files (I know where they are) and not the OA-cfg file.
The Oa files I d/led are:

OpenArena 0.7.6 Windows Installer
for Windows 9X/2000/XP operating systems
(269 MB - md5: 8b90fc2bfe12f4c3b3e1a915fe922662)

and

OpenArena v0.7.7 Patch Windows Installer
for Windows 9X/2000/XP operating systems
(2 MB - md5: 8fb57e7bb5310e36a02437b60b0adb72)

Did I get that right or do i need another version and then use the .7 patch?

Greatz

The OA cfg files are saved in Application Data/openarena. The actual place of "Application Data" varies depending on where your operating system stores user files.

Thank you sago007, i found it
Is it possible to move that data to the oa game folder in my program files?
Or does that mess up the game?

Greatz

You can move any pk3 file without problem. But the game will keep writing new pk3 and config files to your home.

You can start the game with "+set fs_homepath PATH" to change the place OA saves the files.

Holy shit. I can't believe what I am reading here. Is this guy an idiot or is this the common belief in these forums?

I have been playing q3 for about 7 years now and I am a current quake live beta tester. I recently registered here and thought I'd give open arena a try. The first thing I see is this guy saying q3 1.32c is a failure. What is he smoking? Then he says pr 1.16 is better? I mean if you were to say that at any tournament as well as in any irc channel u would be laughed at horribly.

Just as comparison I fired up oa and matched its player count to q3 1.32 and it wasn't even close. I would hardly say 1.32 is a failure. In fact 1.32 cpma is the standard for every quake 3 tournament these days. Just because you have players playing various mods doesn't mean the pr is a failure. For those that play 1.16 pr and like it....thats fine. However I highly recommend you switch to 1.32 to experience better gameplay.

As far as OA goes, I think iks pretty damn cool. I'm really happy that an alternate form of quake is available and I will continue to play it. I have to say that as long as they push a new version out for the public, we should upgrade to it and test and then provide feedback. Playing an older version of pr just to "keep the community together" is not a valid reason.