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Hi!
I'm looking for admin/s of those servers, cause there is a player that should be banned.
Nickname is assrape, not only he insults other players, spams, use foul language but the most important he doesn't let every body play when he's "not in the mood". He shoots his own team mates, returning enemy flag to the enemy and basically screws the whole game.
When we kick him, he allays comes back, that's why he should be banned.

So he plays reversed CTF, that's interesting. Usually when you're really unwelcome on a server you feel it and everyone turns against you. See what happens when an aimbot connects.
Kicking is indeed a bit uneffective as it is.
Now I don't want him to spoil the 9 other players game. I'll see what I can do but I have to think about it.

As long as a player has enough fanboys among the community, a player can even insult other players as nazis and so on. see smash for an example.

good luck ^^

I just talked to him, he pretends to deal with retards who join wrong teams and such. The problem is it often has the side-effect of annoying people who didn't ask for it. If people want a real game then themselves should behave accordingly.
Being called a nazi can't be taken seriously, unless you have a real problem about it.
He can talk so I guess most of the time you can solve the problem this way.
/me called a vote to be able to ignore players client-side. Or even use regexp to filter a few annoying binds. Ahum.

assrape have HUGE matter when he feel something is wrong in a game.
but he is able to make serious game too! ;)

Be banned mmm it's cacatoes choice :P

I am familiar with assrape, and play with him often.  He has a *very* abrasive personality, and does use foul language, but that won't kill most people.  He is a good player, but is very immature and likes to have things go the way he wants.  Much like other gruff people in the world, one just needs to learn how to deal with him, and he can be OK.  :)

Would you tolerate such kind of behaviour in real life (tm)?
If not, you have to ban him.

imho everybody has to learn his lessons in life.
sometimes it is some kind of cure to collect experiences.

Played this guy and others like him if he wants people to simply balance teams he could just ask or if they act like noobs and say no he could just leave. Staying and doing stuff like this only makes people kick you and causes you to be known as an a**. Since kicking seems to not work everybody could just leave and stay gone for 5 or so minutes then come back or the more difficult route is to “own “ the player that is p*ssing you off and that usually makes them want to leave.
   
Also Hi Black Bruno nice to see you on the forums.

Just to show i'm not lieing or making it up :

http://www.speedyshare.com/files/25228778/assrape.dm_71

Hello to you too Bane, it's nice to be here.  :)  I made an account quite some time ago and forgot about it until I was looking through posts today and St0n3*r messaged me.  LOL

BTW, I hope I didn't upset anyone re: assrape.  I wasn't trying to defend him exactly, cause Lord knows he makes me mad sometimes too, but just saying that maybe I have better luck with getting him to be cooperative.  When he's in a good mood, he's OK to play with, but when he's not...  :(

Of course, I work with teenage boys who are in trouble, so maybe I have a bit more patience dealing with them than others might.  :)

Chuuuuut! It was our secret  :P lol

It's not that I'm not patient, to tell You the truth I can easily take out assrape on "his" map and i don't care that he's flag camping but he always spoils the game, especially when people won't play his map for 5th time!
As Perer Sillie said You wouldn't tolerate such a behaviour in real life so since I warned him, ask to stop and so on and so on, there is a limit of how many times I can get called "Gay Whore", "noob" and stuff like that.
I think I even would let him be, even with insulting me, but last time he didn't let us play for more than 2 hours and i just wanted to relax a little after work ...

To see what he does just download the demo i posted earlier.

Sorry, didn't mean to imply you are impatient.  I guess I'm just more familiar with assrape and can ignore his antics easier.  I'm not saying we should have to--assrape should behave properly like others so that *everyone* can enjoy the game, and I do understand about wanting to unwind after work.  OpenArena is just about my #1 stress outlet.  Mostly I look at assrape as being an annoyance, and one that can be a little funny some times.  When I get home from work and start playing, and LOL and mumble "Gay Whore" or "assraped", my wife will start laughing and say, "So, you're playing against assrape?"  He has a reputation at my house of being a pretty good player, but more notably as an immature potty mouth.

If assrape gets banned, that's fully understandable.  Like I said, I have tried to talk to him about his behavior before when he was in one of his good moods, to little effect unfortunately.  :(

Just ban his ass, problem solved and no discussion needed ^^

@Pan piotr,
Heard about that anthropology idea which says when you're the observer of something you already alter your field of study ? That applies quite well here, though I'm rather convinced we're never a pure spectator but always something which interacts with our environment. :P

I'm not going to ban since I think it's out of proportion. I also think it can be dealt from within the game, I mostly hope it won't stop players from having fun. I've already seen much more annoying. I'm also much more tolerent towards provocation than towards stupidity.

Might be me, but I don't see the point in not banning people who can't seem to behave themselves. Same example with Scassapalle, he was camping and spamming the chat all the time, and eventually just got banned. Now he felt guilty cause not only he got banned (lot of italians are behind NAT), so he improved and got debanned.
If he was alone, and would have kept on like this, I wouldn't have minded at all just keeping him banned for the next 10 years. Just get him to grow up.

You're kindly saying : "I don't know You, but i know assrape and I'm taking his side. You probably just started to play and got pissed of by assrape and immediately went crying here. And I don't care if You posted evidence link of assrape spoiling the game ... "

My OA nickname is Hawkmoon and i had problems with assrape for over a year. If that's not enough to ban him, then Yours servers aren't for me or my friends.

Hello Hawkmoon!  Sorry I didn't know your alternative name here.  Don't know if you recognize my name or not, but we've played in several games together.  Glad to put another "name" with a "face".  :)

@RMF,
So you're saying some solution is to ban IP ranges, so then assrape will feel responsible of this and will educate himself or be educated by the LGBT community. I fear every ban doesn't lead to a success story like this one.
I don't consider a long ban to be a success either, it's more of a "get this thing I cannot see away from my eyes", but not a way to solve a problem.

@Hawkmoon,
Don't make me say things I didn't. If you read above you'll see what I say is totally different.
I'm not either here to choose a side between you or he, all I do is to apply my admin "guidelines".

Hi Hawkmoon I know you we played together a lot nice to see you :)

@BlankBruno 
Hello BlankBruno :-) 
Yes, I do remember You and I'm happy to "see" You :-) 
But I haven't seen You on OA for a long time, how come? When do You play? 
 
@Bane 
Hi Bane! 
I also remember You, but I don't remember when was the last time we played in OA, it's been so long! :-) 
 
@Cacatoes 
I'm not making You say anything. I think You meant to say "stop putting word in my mouth". Never the less I don't do that either. It doesn't matter if You are choosing a side or not, from my perspective, I give you evidence that assrape is not letting others play and insults them, people here tell You he should be banned and still You say You won't do it. This is clear for me that You have to have some purpose to not ban him. 
In my opinion You should resign of being an admin. I reported You a problem and there's no result and there won't be, as You said. Your "guidelines" are pointless.
 
 
So everybody, see You on OA, obviously not on ROFL, but there are plenty other servers.

I still play most days, but usually now I play between 2200UTC and 0200UTC (evenings for me).  I used to work 3 days each week (16 hours + 16 hours + 8 hours), but I now work Monday-Friday, so I play after work most days and when I have time on the weekend.  :)

Yeah I have not played you in awhile mainly because I  have been playing a new game “Called find a Job” and I thought OA was hard. Going on interviews and sending out resumes is what my day consist of now mostly.

I feel for you Band.  My wife lost her job due to downsizing and budget cuts in June 2009--and hasn't been able to find a good (or even decent) job since.  That's why I try not to complain about work too much--at least I have a job, and they are really hard to find right now, as you have seen.  Good luck with your job hunt!

It may be my naive 17yo mind thinking too simple, but ever thought of the option of starting an own company? Or just parttime brings in more than nothing i guess.
Anyway good luck Bane, and also to your wife Bruno :)

Thanks RMF.  Actually, my wife has been doing some freelance writing, and some other things to make a little money.  It's just really hard right now to find a good, steady job here.  :(

Thanks Black Bruno I hope your wife finds a good job soon . Also RMF thanks for the well wishes. Starting a company could be a could idea but I don’t feel I can take on more debt the college loans I got are nearly killing me although I have been selling stuff on eBay which is ok but not a job . But I am paying them down although at times it feels like throwing money in a bottomless hole

haha, the topic has completely evolved away from it's original intention  ;D Nice to see some familiar faces here :)

Good point...sorry about that Bungle and everyone else.  I'll try to stay on topic.  :)

yeah sorry about that it just tends to happen here

On our clanforum we often get hugely offtopic, like start about something to bind to say in teamchat and end with someone's activity for the next day xD. But noone really minds, and we just get back ontopic whenever someone has something usefull to add about the original subject :)

oh cute story RMF... thanks for sharing..

btw alot of players are getting OWND(!!) by assrape..

hopefully more players will learn to think like Cacatoes.

this is actually an opportunity to learn something.

a ban is just another wall.. we dont need that.

How nice that looked... lol

lol


ownd? don't you mean ASSRAPED? ^^

GAYWHORE!



lol *joke*

/me is trying to figure out why we are actually still replying to him

aaaw RMF.. a tad upset now are we? heh.. if i recall things correctly u started bashing me for no reason in other threads, without me even being aware of your existance.. then again i rarely remember players who bind cute colorful smileys and spam "gg" after every round (no matter how it actually turned out) u little innocent girl u.. im in it for the rush, the speed and pure pwnage as well as for the technical aspect.. this is why YOU want players like assrape banned, and i dont.. (see previous page for your own words.) OA (in this stage of development) NEEDS players on the edge of the game mechanics, SO WE CAN LEARN, not more ppl like you who just go with the flow and think everything is just fine as they are and maybe, just maybe, has a nice little chat about what mommy made for dinner last night..

u see i'm actually trying to teach you something.
stfu and listen instead of being a upset little boi.
more bans is nor can never be the solution here.
if that happens the OA-community is in decline.

I and cocotero are admin about ROFL INSTANTGIB, and i want write here all ban and kick that i will do (i hope not so much).
Today i have banned a player called akuma because some days before christmas i played with him, he called me cheater all game and few seconds to get out from server he has heavyly insulted me. Now i want ban him all time that i will see.
My meter is:
ban for cheaters and for who insult other people
kick for insane campers and for disturbers

Yeah, I understand you can be quite pissed off in these cases.
List of actions (kick/ban/every command) made by admins is stored in a log file in the server.

Hmmm cacatoes, you say in another topic that a ban isn't right for players who insult others, but some newb who can't tell the difference between cheating and being good is okay to ban?

Not really meant offensive, but I don't see where you draw the line.

Nothing offending no worry. (sorry if I was a bit on the other topic)
I'm mostly thinking one has to do the best s/he can not to ban/kick.
I think fuzziness is better than being able to draw lines. That means you won't know how to react when you are in a certain situation, that means you won't systematically rely on admin powers.
I also think it's a good experience to play on non-moderated servers (server admins aren't necessarily players, so these cases can happen).

Sorry for my last post. I were very angry with him. For me the word "cheater" is not an insult and i normally don't ban for this cause, but if a player use bad words for parents to another player i have attempted to ban him. I think that oa is a game so if i play, i do for have fun not for have insults. This is my meter but if is wrong i don't use. Let me know :)

@Cacatoes, I think it's better to set some limit/line. Else players will say 'but he did this or that', and you get discussions about what exactly is allowed and why.

Seems like a good meter :P

... which is pointless only with admins who have already taken their decision before engaging the talk.
The point is to make the talk useful, you won't solve conflicting views if you don't even try, there has to be persons who are open-minded enough to change their mind, starting with ourself.

why not present assrape with and ultimatum? shape up or get banned. I dont think he has an account on these forums so i dont think he is aware of this discussion about him. and i think that even as immature as he is, he deserves a chance to defend himself before his fate gets decided for him

His fate was already decided in my case, I won't ban, so he probably doesn't need to be aware of that.
Hello assrape ! You can silently read us no worry :D

players like assrape is not the problem for real ppl.. look around the community.
i see clan mentality and established players scripting stuff like rocketjumps ffs.
PLAYING someone is still a game.. while KICKING someone is the end of game.
btw there is a conflict while being admin on the server you play. guess how.

What the heck, I'll chime in my 4 cents here (I'm a chatterbox, so 4 cents, not 2 cents, LOL).

We used to have similar problems/discussions way back in my Interstate '76 gaming days (if any of you ever played that game, perhaps you're familiar with Ax-L, my handle back then). There were hacks, and a-holes, and a-hole hacks, who all seemed to want nothing other than ruining others' games.

A formal solution never coalesced (sp?). But, maturity won out in the long run. Me, personally, I think I stand about where Cacatoes does - I'm not a huge fan of the ban, but will use it if necessary. Only used it once so far here in OpenArena, and that was probably for less than a minute (turned out that the offender was actually someone I had met a couple nights prior and who had just let a squirrelly attitude get the better of him on my server - I let him back in and good game was had by all).

I agree with Bane (I think he's the one who said it) that pwn-ing the offenders usually works the best, although it can be tough. Back in my I'76 days I became a bit of a legend, and during the great "Hack Crisis" I tried to do my part to smooth diplomacy between opposing camps: I held 3 "Hacks vs. Ax-L" nights, LOL! I was known for using one of the crappiest cars in the game, but being able to best nearly anyone. I was able to beat most of the "undefeatable" hacks who came to the events (and who at first thought they'd make a fool of me, ha!). I think one of those nights was the first time anyone ever saw my patented air-fire-drop - normally, your droppers just layed fire or oil on the ground behind you. Knowing that the cars in the game only had armor on their sides and bottom (the designers never foresaw people doing shit like I would, LOL), I would sucker a hack to the base of a cliff or such, I'd quickly scramble up top (my car was tiny little AMC Gremlin knockoff - almost no armor, very light and quick), and before they knew it, I launched off the cliff, spinning a 360, 720, however-many-rotations-I-could-pull, all the while stompin' my firedropper. Firedropper-from-above + No roof armor (not even hackably) = Ax-L 1  : Hack 0. :-)

The people who attended my events were all enlightened, participants and spectators from both sides. Later in the game's life, when someone finally figured out a way to implement hacked paint jobs (who wouldn't want their own paint job?!?!), it was a lot easier for those who were formerly staunch anti-hacks to accept that they wanted (and would use) a "hack" in one of their own games. And, for the most part, hacks and non-hacks created servers for both types of games and generally stayed outta each others' hair.

So, my bottom line? Try to make peace, be creative, but regardless, things will probably reach equilibrium at somej point acceptable by all. Heck (shameless self-promotion coming on, LOL), take a break and visit my OpenArena server, MeTaLNET! You'll find a friendly crowd there, several of which I've granted  admin access to (and which have never abused said privilege, I want to add). N00bs, pr0s, all are welcome as long as everyone's having fun. Variety is the spice of life, and I'm slowly working toward making my server as unique as possible while not veering far from the base game. So far just trying to build a solid, but deep map cycle featuring a mix of gametypes, with bots that are a little harder to beat than the usual (future plans include really tuning the bots to provide an even fight against any human, while also giving them much more distinct and probably humorous personalities). I'd say the average player that has stuck around (even though my server's only been up a few weeks) has found that their skills and camaraderie have enjoyed a welcome boost. Oh, and did I mention that the MeTaLNET free wallpaper giving is STILL going on? ROFL, check the MOTD upon joining my server (hope you like Shakira, too, haha!).

Love ya all, thanks for making this game and making my gaming more entertaining! I'm out for a frag, and then a map cycle update, I think....

-- TwEeK!