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Yo all,

Been working on this model for the last 2 nights. Looking for some opinions. Overall I think the proportions are right, however I think there's something missing with the head, tho I cant quite figure out what.

(http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/1781/sargejt5.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

C&C welcomed. :)

The cigar.

(http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/3205/sargeee4.th.jpg) (http://img401.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sargeee4.jpg)

Much better. :)

use a pipe ( this is not q3 after all)

and his cheeks ... add more meat/fat

Modifications to the nose.

http://img297.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sargekd1.jpg

too similar to copyrighted likeness; not accepting this.

Really great job kit, you managed to get the bone structure in the face anatomically correct, the only thing to comment on is that the earlobes could be lowered a few units. I also love the way you got the extruding eyebrowse; well done...but a pipe would do the trick even better than that cigar :)

Thanks w1zrd.

I modified the ears slightly and made then longer. :)

(http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/9567/sargeph6.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

Ready For the Fight!

Looks really good kit, well done.
One thing that I think was better in the first post was the area around teres major to his triceps,
but it's just a minor detail, nothing that someone busy launching rockets will notice anyway :)
(http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/8179/sargeve4.png)

It's not noticeable from that screenshot but it's because he's bending back into an arc.

Likenesses are not covered by copyright law, they fall into the domain of trademark and publicity right laws neither of which apply to this model as TTBOMK none of id's q3a models are trademarked nor are they celebrities.

Rather than manufacturing a legal reason to not accept the model why can't you just say:  "No, this sarge model is too similar to id's sarge model and that is not the art direction I want the game to go in."

Fair enough.

I started modelling this on request by tr3b(well he asked me to make a model) and I choose Sarge as inspiration. I posted the model up here encase OA would like to use it & pointers on improving him.

Hope I can still post WIP on the model here. :)
Yes the model will be released under the GPL.

It's planned to be done in .md5 format first, however I'm planning to export him to .md3 later.

fix his cheeks ...

he need man-titties

Update:

(http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/6801/sargesa8.th.jpg) (http://img218.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sargesa8.jpg)


(http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/4793/sargepu5.th.jpg) (http://img254.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sargepu5.jpg)



Yes that is a normal map & not the main texture. ;)

are you sure those are tangent space normal maps...

I just used the Bake Normals feature in Blender.

I think its a pretty good recreation of Sarge.  Maybe if you made it into an anime model it would be acceptable for OA :P

i like it, maybe change the cigar into a kazoo?

imagine the sound effects! :D

Also as it's not specifically for OA you should consider a different license, something like the ISC license (http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/~checkout~/src/share/misc/license.template) which gives everyone the right to use it (as long as they remember to reproduce the copyright and permission notice).

no!
you need a svn version of blender

create 2 models hi poly and low poly
select both
buttons -> scene -> bake ->
normals -> tangent
selected to active
bake button

see the example file

Thanks for the info o_0

You wouldn't happen to know where I can get a binary version of the Blender svn for linux?

installs the build dependencies
then run make :)

Thanks dmn_clown.

Got him working in game, took ages.

http://www.google.co.uk/firefox?client=firefox-a&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official

The head normal map is abit weird but I think that due to not having a specular map, nor a proper texture.

o_0: Cheers for the tip on Blender tangent normal map, Its far better!

graphicall.org

WoW what a model! i just wanna no is this model Possible for download if it is could i have the link plz thx


RAAM

At the moment the model isn't available for download mainly cause it's not finished. Also the model isn't supported on OpenArena's .md3 format atm.

It will be, but first I'm making it work for xreals implementation of the .md5mesh & .md5anim format. :)

Ah! ok thnx for the info Kit!

RAAM'BO

That is one extremely nice model. Good job!
It'd for sure be a big loss if this model wasn't included in OA.

Wow I never showed the pic with his working normal maps.

(http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/2783/shot0005ms5.th.jpg) (http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shot0005ms5.jpg)

bizarro :D

not really

why not?

I've already explained why. Besides, Beret is our own Sarge counterpart.

"Too similar to copyrighted likeness"? Come on..
As long as it's not a continuation of the original Sarge model (as in the guy imported the Sarge model and created his own Sarge model from there) there isn't any problem at all.

Otherwise, well, there'd be a crapload of lawsuits already.

So, are you not including this due to legal questions, or just because it does not fit into OA's artstyle?

are models and their skins a special case or why are textures and weapon icons allowed to be almost exact replicas?

i mean if the "beret is our sarge model" is the reason why not just change his name to something else?

just curious, i think the model look great

Don't question an lei decision!

Well if Beret is our Sarge alternative I have a couple of suggestions for him. Can you make him look less of a pansy. I mean his stance and his garments portray military personnel all wrong. Trust me I come from a long line of army men and NONE stand like that. He looks kinda gay too...nothing wrong with that its just that the sarge personnel should be kickass manly/chuck norris that gives the same feel as sarge

I agree...

Lei doesn't like it because it's not half naked and it doesn't resemble anything out of an anime porno.

maybe if it were an original concept?

OA doesn't have a defined artstyle as far as I can see... and taking Beret as default Sarge counterpart is painful. I imagine this model as 'cool' with a nasty zombie skin applied to it.

Kit89 go for it.

glad that cosmo agrees...well instead of just talking about it lets do something about it!

At present I'm working on Sarges uv-maps & hopefully will be working on his textures.

To make Beret look more sarge & macho, remove his shorts, give him trousers. :)

I think it's a good piece of work. If you don't feel like accepting it because of its likeness, change his face a bit, to a different build, then rename it to BOB! DING.

No, that is Bizarro Sarge!

Bizarro, Bizarro!

As I see it, the current sarge does the job well. Recplacing him with Beret is... bad. Sarge should be a generic army/marine guy. He is the default model, not the wild and crazy model. I can see perfectly well why lielol cant take in this new sarge. Legal issues is big, and taking any risk should be avoided. I doubt it would be ID giving a small slap on the hand. The new sarge model is great. As long as it doesnt look too similar to the q3 sarge, I say put it in.(give it some brighter colors too, at least for team skins :P)
zombie skin sounds too good XD