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how do you call for a vote to kick people?

like when in CTF some idiot joins the game and joins the team that is winning easily AND has more members than the other team?

and those who spend the whole game camping the flag with a rail gun

/serverstatus
get player ID, then
/callvote clientkick ID
(ID is a number) drawback is that people dont know immediately who has which number, so they dont know whom u are trying to kick, so u must say whom and what reason.

thanks

Or possibly just ask them to 'even' the teams?

yes i do

then when they refuse, i call them a c***

doesnt seem to work though

I wonder why....

lols

Wot a pity there's no auto-balance feature in OA.

there is

its called common sense

sadly a few players have their common sense options set to "OFF"

lolz

Kicking people for camping is wrong, IMO, you aren't doing anything "illegal", though it may be bad playermenship (is that a word?)

Kicking for not balancing teams is right, however.

There should be an auto-balance thing in 0.8, but there won't be.

When some get pleasure to spoil your game, I suppose it's right to kick them.
If one doesn't listen to what you have to say and doesn't want to know he's annoying, and/or insults you, it's also right to kick them.
Strangely, guys who camp often fall into these categories.
But if most people want to camp, then let then camp and change to a new server.

here's something for 0.8.0: when a player has been at the same place for too long without moving a warning should be issued ***CAMPER WARNING***, and if the player still keeps the same ground he should be frozen in place and a pink tent should cover him and he should not be able to use weapons until he is either killed or types "I AM A CAMPER AND A LOSER" in the console.

so there, fixed the camping for 0.8.0.

Or the other team should get two points/one extra flag point by killing him...

they dont stay on the exact same spot though

like on sagos castle? they just hover around one of the top corner platforms all game waiting for people to approach the flag then bang! rail after rail after rail after ....yawn

rail gun is cool as f**k but in the hands of one of these idiots its totaly spoils this game IMO

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heh, there was camper in our game, we kicked him. then he connected back- and kick again. then he connected again under new name, but he had the same 25~ ping and we kicked him again =) brutal =) i guess we had smart people in game who knew about F1.

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I have never really seen a problem with camping, if someone decides to stay in one spot sniping/ambushing people, then it makes it easier for everyone else to know where said camper is, and eliminate them easily. Basically easy points ;). if someone is determined to camp, they will be able to outsmart almost any anti-camp thing the server has running as rancid punx said, though the punishment pulchr adviced would be effective :)

One instance where camping can be quite brutal is on oa_ctf4ish, on the rail platform. Without any effective long range guns(except the mg) the camping railer will be able to frag you before you get off the flag platform of your base.
The noghost mod has an anti-camp feature on it, that the nemesis server has enabled. If the person stays still for a set amount of time, they will receive a warning on the middle of the screen: "Anti-Camp Warning! 5 Seconds till SelfDestruction!" If the camper does not move a certain amount of distance within the 5 seconds, they will explode displaying the frag message "<camper name> saw the light." That works very well on ctf4ish, however the anticamp thing sometimes backfires, as not always is someone camping but staying in the same spot. Someone with the flag, waiting for a teammate to return it; or very often I have had the anticamp message while I had to frag waves and waves of enemies keeping me from advancing >.>

I personally think it would be best to ignore, (or even better to take advantage of :P) campers unless they abuse it to the point of being unable to play the game as in the rail platform in ctf4ish. Save the /callvote kicks for assholes and hackers. Nobody likes a player who is kickhappy ;)

the problem with campers as i see it is often not their camping "skills" against the enemy but how they don't do anything useful in helping their on team. it has happened to me several times on oasago2f2 that i've gotten two campers on my team, every time they spawn up at the rail they remain there always aiming at the friendly flag, even if the flag is not in the base! the campers just stand there - not even trying to reclaim it. with even teams that means you lose one or two players and retrieving the flag can get very difficult.

This I completely agree with haha, a very good point

I totaly agree with you Pulch!!

CTF4ish is a great map if there is NO camping going on,.. Kick all campers if they refuse to stop camping after you ask them to get down/stop camping. Or just rail the campers when they respawn over and over and over untill, they had enough of dying and leave ,it works aswell :P
Camping isnt illigal but it ruins a good game.
Anti-camp doesnt work like it has to work so its pretty much useless.
 
 

This is wailing of pussies.
You argue against yourself. It's the nature of CTF to have defenders and they HAVE to stay in their bases next to the flag. If campers are disturbing go and shoot 'em (like you said). OA (like Q3) has two server variables which help a little: g_teamAutoJoin and g_teamForceBalance

If it's possible to do camping at critical points it's a design flaw of the map. Go and callvote for another. OA has several maps worth playing. Next thing what YOU can do: Write improvement suggestions of the map and post them here in forum.

If you really have that big of a problem with camping, just join servers that have anti-camp protections (e.g., those with NoGhost).

Actually, campers make you quite good.  Its just how someone defines (camper).  Some people get all ticked off and claim camper just b/c they are getting owned with the rail.  Some do it because of the same reason except any weapon.  Others just like to cry about it.

Seriously, campers are easy points.  Learn how to glance rail, or bump rail.  If you can learn to efficiantly do either of those, i can assure you 90% of the people you say are camping will a find a new server to camp, or stop camping and try to become better then you just to annoy you further.  Campers are almost always in the same place, and almost always are using zoom.  Thats 2 strikes against the said individual.  Just learn to out play them.

I would also make sure that the server admins were you are playing know you and know your good/cool, hence alot of server admins suck, and ban people for owning them in their own server.  Im kinda speaking from experiance dealing with the old q3a server system.

just my 2 cents worth.

Yeah, I don't see where the problem is. Everytime I respawn by the rail in oasago I take a quick look to the flag and snipe whoever approaches, staying there for as long as bastards keep coming. Nobody called me a camper for that, but they would if I did it all the time. There's no real difference. I quite like to have some good railer I can trust in my team, be him static (camping) or not. If somebody from the opposite team is camping you know you have to do something about it (spam plasma all around the place, railing first or getting to wherever he is).

The only circumstance where I find it unfair and game killing is when one team has more players and one of them keeps camping with good aim. That makes it hard.

Oh, and the anti-camping measures suck. So what? Can't a player stay by the flag to avoid opponents taking hold of it? Is the run-jump-frag-get-fragged-start-again the only way to play? What about when you are defending some of your team members who's got the flag? Or waiting by the other team base to take it? Or whatever, it doesn't make sense.

You can defend and not stand still.  Actually standing still isnt smart with rail in place.  Easy points. 

I disagree with the commend that 'the anti-camping measures suck'. They're not perfect, but if you take the time to tweak them, they can be quite effective. The default settings in NoGhost are not good at all, but if you really jack the radius up, you can keep people from just slightly moving out of the area and back in when they get warned. Personally, I calibrated the radius I use to the largest rail platform on any map in my server (radius is set to 400, if memory serves). Heck, if you set the time limit low enough and the radius high enough, you can completely change the style of play, and force people to keep moving (and I don't mean back and forth in one room/area) at all times.

Just imagine this guy exists :
(http://www.pjbstudios.com/temp/dr.evil.laser.jpg)
... and spots camper by anticipating moves, works fine ;)

LOL, love the doc evil! 

Well keep in mind that most people dont like to be restricted anymore then they have to be when playing a game.  The more restrictions you add in, the more people will refrain from playing on your server.

Were is Mini-me?

Clearly this sort of action is looked down upon by the Koopa Klown Car Clan, and we severely discourage uneven teams, or even a team that isn't entirely part of the Koopa Klown Car Clan. My advice to you, my fine Sir, is to report your findings to AOL. It is the only way anything on the internet can be handled. Come on, guys, we ARE all living in the 90's now, it's time upgrade to AOL 3.0 (now with AIM).

there is...

Killie is right....
When you join some servers you  join the game instead of spectating.
So you automatically join the team with least players.
I know this happens on Evil Server

Plus..some there is a feature on MODs that won't allow ppl to join team that is full..You will have to join the other team to play

On baseoa too: g_teamforcebalance 1

anti camping stuff just gets me killed automatically when the other team has so many more players the only choice is to hide and sneak because there isnt enough ammo around to hold off everyone while waiting to cap.

Wow... Quoting that was said almost 6 months ago...

Anyway The anti camping measures never really worked very well from my experience.  It tended to tick off the more experienced players more than campers.  When your strafing left and right trying to avoid rockets and kill someone then you randomly see the light...

g_teamAutoJoin 1

Does not give players a chance to check teams before joining also might increase the chance of staying in the game rather than leave because the situation looks hopeless.

as already pointed out "g_teamforcebalence" is more powerfull.

Both functions existed in baseq3 too, so this is nothing new.

Smoke some Ganja Green