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What f**k is it?
"The New Face of Sight" to my proposal for a new version of the official website OpenArena.

What you type using the website?
I use XHTML compliant standards, version 1.1, CSS, conforming to the standards version 2.1, PHP5 (object programming, using the latest technology PDO), and MySQL.

Once you use XHTML to say that the party will not work in Internet Explorer?
No, the page will be written in XHTML standards, but it will also run on Internet Explorer, with the exception that it will be treated like a normal HTML.

In what languages will be available website?
Currently plan to create a website in English and Polish, as any other language I do not know at such a high level in order to create another language PARCEL POST.

Why in Polish?
Because I come from Poland, and the creation of the Polish language pack does not make me problems.

After what we all new site?
As the old deterring party members who live by the principle of "bad side, even worse game." In addition to this project in my account of the other languages other than English, and a system for adding new page in the remote through the administrative panel.

Where can I see how the current page looks?
Here...
http://www.worxt.pl/openarena/index.php?language=english

Where can I see how the current page looks? (In the Polish language)
Here...
http://www.worxt.pl/openarena/index.php?language=polish

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Interpreters:

Language		Interpreter	Interpreter Login
English	English	Dawid Niedźwiedzki	Kasilas
Polish	Polski	Dawid Niedźwiedzki	Kasilas
French	Français	???	Cacatoes
Spanish	Español	???	Neon_Knight

Validating

Language		Interpreter	Interpreter Login
English	English	---	---
Polish	Polski	???	I am Red :P
French	Français	---	---
Spanish	Español	---	---

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Change Log:

Update from 14.01.09

• OpenArena logo on the home page temporarily removed.
• Removed the tag is used <center> not complying with the standards of XHTML.
• Removed one redundant layer.

Update from 11.01.09

• From now on page should be centered on whether or not Internet Explorer.
• Now on page will work under Internet Explorer browser and does not valid with XHTML, the party will serve them pure HTML and XHTML browsers that support will be able to use it.
• Improved speed of loading pages (as it currently is not just text, and so no one will notice the difference).
• I changed the look of the menu on better, which nevertheless continues to be pretty.
• Removed the word "OpenArena" header, remained the same logo.
• Logo in the header is now the background, so it is now possible for the selection.

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Testing Activities:

Browser	Status
Internet Explorer 6.0:	BAD
Internet Explorer 7.0:	On average
Mozilla Firefox:	GOOD
Opera:	GOOD
Safari:	Unknown
Konqueror:	Unknown
Avant Browser:	Unknown
Lynx:	GOOD
Google Chrome:	Unknown
Flock:	Unknown
Arachne:	Unknown
Epiphany:	Unknown
K-Meleon:	Unknown
AOL Explorer:	Unknown
Midori:	GOOD
Epiphany:	GOOD
Galeon:	GOOD
Arora:	GOOD

I see that the administrator has not yet read the topic.
In any case the offer is still valid. :)

Excuse me for the duplication of posts :)

I haven't got my word to say, but I think that would be nice ;)
Have you got some websites to show us ?
You may be interested in this thread (http://forum.freegamedev.net/index.php?t=msg&goto=12900&S=8358fdc956b6bba16c29116d017c09f4&srch=website) on another forum.

Unfortunately, all the works have been removed in format.
But I can prepare a page template (no graphics, just the colors and layout), and how you like to do the rest.
What do you know? ^. ^

Wait for fromhell's answer, that would be sad if you do this work for nothing :-/

or just go ahead with it  and ask for feedback.. even if fromhell doesnt like it.. it could the start of your new portfolio and there's no better way to show off your skills  :D If you think positive then there's no such thing as a waste of time

Currently I working on the script of its own internet forum linked with the portal :)
And as for the parties to wait for the sentence of fromhell ^^.

My brief likes and dislikes of my preferences, just to 'push' into the right direction:

LIKES:
- contrastful and original color schemes
- fast loading
- able to open it up and read it fine in browsers that are a bit antiquated, or layout-feature stripped for efficiency
- elements nicely isolated for easy content insertion streamlined via php (no table tag digging)

DISLIKES:
- loads of small text
- forced lower casing for absolutely everything
- lack of contrast in background color and text color
- not fitting in 800x600
- excessive verdana font
- wordpress/blog style simple sites of two columns
- excessive images
- excessive php
- abuse of png to the point where it makes the page load take more 100kb for just images (I even see THAT as a bit excessive for bandwidth's sake!)

So, fromhell gave it a go :) How's the website development moving along? I'd like to see a demo of some sorts :) I'm pretty excited about upgrading OA's website... Currently it's circa-1999 style...

Keep us updated and let us know if you need any help!

I have a question,
Is the server has a apache module - Mod-Rewrite?
       
And one more question...
What form of title you think is better?
1. (Just) The Official OpenArena WebSite
2. The Official OpenArena WebSite - Files (We recognise that, user are currently watching this site)
3. OpenArena - Files (We recognise that, user are currently watching this site)
4. (Just) OpenArena

IMO, 4th title. I like plains.

The creation of the webpage is still in progress. In the meantime, I have a question (fromhell is currently not on the forum, so I don't have hopes anyone would know what I'm on about... anyway), does the OpenArena server support mod-rewrite, and is it possible to create a domain as a variable to it?

I am asking because the website is supposed to support multiple languages and I would like to choose the most convinient way of providing this support.

PS, If you would like to see the current stage of the project, feel free to check it at
http://www.worxt.pl/openarena/index.php?language=english
(The links are currently not working, the only supported language so far is English, it is also suitable for the 800x600 resolution).

Any comments would be appreciated.

I'm really bad at judging these things, but here are a few comments :

- It looks a bit small at first (I have a 1440x??? screen). The more it adapts to the screen size, the better, provided it can be read on small screens, and with resized windows (tiled window managers FTW ! :P ... nah, i'm not even using one). Maybe it could be enlarged ?

- "Official OpenArena Website" appears 3 times, on the title bar, on the main title, and as a subtitle, that may be a bit much.

- "Open    Arena" on the top banner may be removed, I don't like much the font, and I like the idea of having only a logo, because its logo rocks ;)

- About the navigation bar, there is a small glitch on the bottom left corner, it looks like a small grey line which hasn't been erased.

- Navigation bar, I may add a bit of padding to its content, actually the content sticks on bottom left, ... but I don't know how to place them better :p

Feel free to ignore these comments ;)

I think Cacatoes covered most things but maybe have the top logo under the menu navigator without the text.

Make the logos much darker, white is too bright (maybe try #9A9A9A)

I also think the text should be equal size without the varied capitilized heights.

Increase padding on the left menu text so the text doesnt bleed at the edges.

The main container would probably work better as an expandable box (im not sure if it is).. the sharp edges don't look right with the border since the left links are rounded. I think making these rounded would be worthwhile, and perhaps get rid on the gradient in the main container if it makes it easier.

This is probably easier said than done so feel free to ignore :P It's always good to get some feedback.

These links may help if you consider rounded edges. I usually use the first link.

http://www.roundedcornr.com/
http://www.albin.net/CSS/roundedCorners/
http://codylindley.com/CSS/212/css-flexible-box-with-four-custom-corners
http://mikecherim.com/experiments/css_smart_corners.php
http://tools.sitepoint.com/spanky/
http://www.neuroticweb.com/recursos/css-rounded-box/

and here are my results:
firefox 3.0.5 and konqueror 3.5.9/49.1 @ opensuse 11.0
hth.

I have already a few updates on the page.

Repairs:
 - From now on page will work under Internet Explorer browser and does not valid with XHTML, the party will serve them pure HTML and XHTML browsers that support will be able to use it.
 - Improved speed of loading pages (as it currently is not just text, and so no one will notice the difference).  

Visual changes:
 - I changed the look of the menu on better, which nevertheless continues to be pretty.
 - Removed the word "OpenArena" header, remained the same logo.
 - Logo in the header is now the background, so it is now possible for the selection.  

I Currently working on the news, they will be added to the MySQL database with the panel amine (may it called "the Central Database Management by fromhell? :P)
I ask you to record information about the page is displayed on different browsers, since I can currently use only two (FireFox and Opera).

Testing Activities:

GOOD	The site is functioning properly.
On average	Page does not work properly until the end.
BAD	The site works, but very badly.
DEAD	The site does not open.
Unknown	Have not reviewed.

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Internet Explorer:	Unknown (Presumed: GOOD)
Mozilla Firefox:	GOOD
Opera:	GOOD
Safari:	Unknown
Konqueror:	Unknown
Avant Browser:	Unknown
Lynx:	Unknown
Google Chrome:	Unknown
Flock:	Unknown
Arachne:	Unknown
Epiphany:	Unknown
K-Meleon:	Unknown
AOL Explorer:	Unknown

A good test is to see if the page is usable if you disable page style in your browser.

EDIT:
Just tested it. It seems to work fine without page style.

Firefox: good
Midori: good
Epiphany: good
Galeon: good
Arora: good

This is what i have installed, and all worked fine. Page looks good, but maybe you can make those navigation buttons (News, About, Download...) little bigger (their height, width is good). Like this all buttons together don't come even half of first page. Just my opinion, you don't have to do this.

Anyway page looks good, keep up with good work!

I tried the page on Internet Explorer 6. It didn't work too well. It works a little better with version 7.
Firefox displays it perfectly, of course.

Internet Explorer 6.0: BAD
Internet Explorer 7.0: Better than IE 6.0, but not perfect
Mozilla Firefox 2.0.0.3: GOOD

I changed the title of the theme and content of first message so that it can be easier to understand in what stage is currently located.

In addition, the project gave the name :) .

Okay, I back to work :P .

EDIT:
From now on page should be centered on whether or not Internet Explorer.
Please someone who has the opportunity to check whether the measures in IE now works normally.

EDIT 2:
I was fixed a little performance, and please some quick check whether the party is still working on Internet Explorer.
In addition, the changed values of visual menus, and increase the font on more.

EDIT 3:
I noticed that the text is broken down and is black.
Immediately try to fix it ...

Great project, good to see another standartist :)!

Let me give you some advices:

• please add the test page url (http://www.worxt.pl/openarena/index.php?language=english) to the first post, where you introduce the project
• you should install Internet Explorer on your Linux distro using Wine. An easy method is to use the IEs4Linux (http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Main_Page) installation files. You should do so, because it has some problems you should see for yourself instead asking the others (transparent png is unsupported in IE6, menu buttons only active if you roll over text -> width: 100% should be added to "#menu a")
• the menu id is given to both the div, and the ul tag, id is a unique thing, it can only be used once
• what advantages has XHTML in this case? Do you plan to use XSL, or mobile version of the page? If not, than XHTML is a bad choice, you are even using target parameters in the anchor tags, which are not defined in XHTML, there is even a center tag, which is also not defined in XHTML

Hi!

I made a few fixes to the html and css file:

• target="_self" in Menu not needed
• <center> is deprecated
• first line must be doctype, otherwise IE works in quirks mode
• <div id="menu"> not needed, now it's <ul id="menu">
• <br /> not allowed between <td> and <tr>
• classes foot, left and right not defined in stylesheet
• link-color for hover (#666) was defined twice
• a few little fixes to the stylesheet (don't remember which ones)

The version I took, to implement the changes is from around ~16:30, so your new changes aren't yet built into it.
The files in the zip have a different path to the images and the css file than what you are using on the server, you just need to adapt these.
You can compare filechanges with WinMerge (http://winmerge.org/).

Download:
http://rapidshare.com/files/182136454/oa.zip.html


a few hints:
your openarena-logo.gif has a PNG header, although having a .gif file-extension

XHTML should not be used any more. It simply doesn't have any real advanatges over HTML. Mobile view can be easily adapted with a separated style sheet, there's no need for XHTML. The W3C has recognized it eventually, that's why HTML5 is in the developing stage.

you can compare

Udi:
Added.

Thanks for the link, has long been looking for this but somehow I could never find.

Thanks for paying attention, did not even know how it got there xD (lied, I know how, by my laziness and abuse of copy :P )

XML - no (at least for the time being I do not have such plans).
Version cells - Yes, but I intend to complete the first page in a simple browser, and then deal with the supplements.

Rectum Ripper:

I know that part of the code preserved simply the beginning of the creation of hand when I was doing it on the basis of the frame. (However, I decided to PHP)

I thought that it could improve on the display page on IE, but not improved. But as it has probably found a way to center the page, so it has already been removed before writing your message, but the version with deleted <center> has not yet been updated.

Look above ...

It even changed since I have about this place even a few plans. For the moment, so be.


Where do you see something like this? O_o

I know this because their name has changed and does not want me then a couple of times to change the same things.
EDIT:
Classes? WHERE? O_o

Where?

The end of work today, good night all.
(Or a nice day, depending on the time zone :P)

Looks good in Lynx.

The OA logo in favicon.gif seems to be missing part of the 'O'.

*edit

I found a good 32x32 OA icon in the subversion. I've attached it.

IMO you don't need to mention "The Official OpenArena WebSite", I mean do you really need to mention it's the *official* website? I think just a big title like "Welcome to OpenArena" should be enough, instead of the current big title + "Index" (?!) + "Welcome to The Official OpenArena WebSite!".

Android's browser: kind of works. The central DIV element is too wide (has a large margin on the right side).
btw, if you want to test it yourself, you can download the SDK and run tools/emulator.

As I said, I create a page is currently under ordinary browser, then the match to all browsers on the cells.

As for the title ...
The page title is what this is, in the same way with the welcome news, it is also, however, is likely to remove the words "The Official WebSite OpenArena 'header in the page content.

the first image is with:

#main {
width:720px;
...
}

The second image is with:

#main {
width:810px;
...
}

it also creates an empty space on the right of the content div, and the content div is focused, giving the impression that the menu floats to the left of the content. but i only checked that in my firefox :).

Job September.

But to announce the recruitment of people willing to translate the page into other languages.
Now on to fully operate 2 languages - English and Polish. If you want to help the party, and translate it into its generic language (or language fluently who know), please write on this subject, while leaving the information on which language you want to translate from English.

I accept to be translated only the first person who expresses a desire to translate the language, but that does not mean that the next person have to work around to taste. If willing to translate the language of reports more than one, all they will be able to check the validity of the language.

With the translation page as well as for checking the validity of the language course to enter Footers. Please also give your name, otherwise it will be only in the footer login author. You can also link to redirect after clicking on information about the author.

I hope that fromhell will not have me for use in such a bad way footer.
However, this does not occupy much space, the author of the translation, is visible only in the language.

How languages are stored in files? I can make Spanish translation, despite the fact that I'm not too familiarized with PHP... :/

Hi, I'm okay to translate it in french, I'll do that with other openarena.tuxfamily.org (http://openarena.tuxfamily.org)'s members to have it checked.

Ok, were added to the list in the nearest time (1-3 days), I will give you lots to translate.

As for the language to be on the page, it currently operates only in an English and Polish language, but adding them is not a problem, the issue of five minutes, and it literally.

Hi, I will translate the new homepage to Hungarian. Graion Dilach will help me in that, but I will coordinate the translation, so you can add me.

Instead of the footer, why not creating a staff or crew page, where you could display all the contributors: coders, map makers, webpage designers, and webpage translators. According to Cacatoes there will be more French translators, and the Hungarian translation requires two people due to lack of time. So you could just make a new menu entry with a new page and list the localization teams. I think they will change through time. If a translator leaves the project a new one jumps in, but the old translator's name can not be deleted, because the page contains his previous work, so I think it will be a forever increasing list of names.

So please consider adding a new page instead of adding the names in the footer section.

I checked OpenTTD's webpage....

I don't know what do you know about OpenTTD, so in a nutshell:
OpenTTD is the open-source TTD and it supports multi-language. I checked and they don't have a credit-list. OK, the webpage isn't multilanguage... just the game.

I think if we adds a new page about translators-credit-list, we could add the game-credit-list and only after the translators. About the Hungarian translating... I'm not a computer-genius, I can't write PHP nor HTML code, but I know what must be replaced... that's how I modified my friend's webpage and added more slots in his table. Of course I'll help gladly.

Or you get forget about credits, it's just a simple translation ... not even fromhell's name appears on the actual webpage.

Hereby, I release Cacatoes under public domain, you can distribute it, modify ... :P

I can't release my actual nickname in public domain, Ronnie James and Tony Iommi will sue me for that. :D

I will not send a lot to be translated into all of their mailboxes, so I will write here.
Here's strings to translate.

• News
• About
• Download
• Media
• Links
• Forum
• Servers
• Welcome to The Official OpenArena WebSite!
• OpenArena is a violent, sexy, multiplayer first person shooter based on the ioquake3 fork of the id tech 3 engine.
  It has many game types beyond deathmatch and a lot of characters.
  Due to violent and racy content, it may not be suitable for children under 17.
• The current release is
• It is released on
• January
• February
• March
• April
• May
• June
• July
• August
• September
• October
• November
• December
• Added
• Translated by
• Correct language checked by
• Website Script and Layout created by
• English
• Polish
• French
• Spanish
• Some of the content contained on this site have not yet been translated.
  Therefore, the content will appear in the English language.
• Some content on the site have not yet been translated.
  Therefore, they are not listed on this page if you want to move to the English version of the page, click HERE.
• Announce!
• A new version of OpenArena 0.0.0!
  To download the latest version of the game, click HERE.
• Title
• Date

For now, enough.
When you get off a full translated list, give the next batch to be translated.
Translated words can post on this subject, or to me on PM.

Btw. fromhell is provided in the table of authors, will be very well highlighted but not let the mystery:)
Btw2. I am a translator appears in the footer in the Polish language, the language is not English information "Translated by", but will be "written by the contents." Of course, there will be added fromhell:)

I think that's all by now. :D

I have currently one and a half hours of work for the website, so I will just add a Spanish language website.
As soon as it is here to inform it.
Address to the translation will be as follows ...

http://www.worxt.pl/openarena/index.php?language=spanish

Hungarian/Magyar language support. I wrote the translation and Udi checked it.

French :

• Nouvelles
• À propos
• Téléchargements
• Media
• Liens
• Forum
• Serveurs
• Bienvenue sur le site officiel d'OpenArena !
• OpenArena est un jeu de tir en vue subjective, multijoueurs, violent et sexy, qui utilise la branche ioquake3 dérivée du moteur id tech 3.
  Outre le mode deathmatch, il dispose de nombreux types de jeux et d'une grande variété de personnages.
  Du fait de son contenu violent et osé, il peut ne pas convenir aux moins de 17 ans.
  
• La version courante est
• sortie le
• Janvier
• Février
• Mars
• Avril
• Mai
• Juin
• Juillet
• Août
• Septembre
• Octobre
• Novembre
• Decembre
• Ajouté
• Traduit par
• Vérifié par
• Site web conçu par
• Anglais
• Polonais
• Français
• Espagnol
• Certains passages de ce site n'ont pas encore été traduits.
  De ce fait, le contenu apparaitra en langue anglaise.
• Certains passages de ce site n'ont pas encore été traduits.
  De ce fait, ils ne sont pas publiés sur cette page, si vous voulez consultez la version anglaise, cliquez ICI.
• Annonce !
• Une nouvelle version d'OpenArena 0.0.0 !
  Pour télécharger la dernière version du jeu, cliquez ICI.
• Titre
• Date

Sorry for the temporary delay of the party, is due to the following factors ...
1) I had to improve the assessment of the school (already good);
2) I have a few things to prepare for the competition;
3) So the new idea of the action part (more efficient), and I have to change the current at later;

What happened to this project? Did Kasilas left OA, or were there any other problems? If fromhell follows the 2008. 08. 08. etc. magic number release dates, than 0.9 will be out in September (just a guess). So if we want a new page it has to be ready in the summer. A new look won't harm, I think we should start the discussion again, and form some webpage team, so that if someone quits OA the effort won't get wasted.

Bump. Is the project progressing? Main page returns 404 now. I'm willing to host it if that's the issue.

is there any work being done here?

a new homepage for the openarena project would be nice.

I think Kasilias left OA, so maybe we should start it from scratch. fromhell has another blueish theme, so a fresh start would be better anyway. The CSS can wait, first of all lets find an engine or a way to develop the page. Here is fromhell's wishlist (without the style things):


The 'content insertion via php' and the 'excessive php' points are a bit paradox, but I think he/she doesn't wants a huge CMS. Which can be understood, because on the current site only the news, media, and maybe the download page could be done dynamic. The forum stays SMF, the Wiki stays on Wikia. So we need a small footprint system with news, media and downloads. Multi-language support and standard HTML output would be cool. Any suggestions about such an engine?

The other thing is the development, if someone takes all the job, he/she has to finish it, or at least give out the sources when leaving. Or a small team should emerge. I don't have an own server, I only use webhosting services, and I still need to redirect the DNS addresses, but after that I can make an ftp and mysql user for OA site development.

Not quite. By excessive PHP I mean lots of busy div tables feeding from SQL. Like OMG POSTS! LATEST POSTS! UNREAD POSTS!!! POSTCOUNTS!!! NUMBER OF MEMBERS ONLINE!! Things that isn't News. I love old style Web but I don't love busy Web and I don't like Web 2.0 all that much.

Hi, I've just read the site project... and I'd really like to help doing translation to Brazilian Portuguese.

And if you need some help with some design issues, i can help to...


Thx.