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Of course, this is the most wanted code for the game (almost for me), thing that I agree is the "Bright Skins" (see kamikaze's post http://openarena.ws/board/index.php?topic=3729.0).. AND using it as a enemy model...

I love it because with that: we can hear the step, jumping, hear the screaming when we hurt the opponent so we know the health... I can wear my skin, and the skin of my enemies should be different...

I love this game cause I'm tired to hear and see the same quake voice/skins/colours/models/etc. And this is cool, in-game statistics, feedback voice rocks!!  :D

Keep going OA team!!! ^^

Main problem I see is it's good for experienced players, but casual ones have to learn about it to use it well and are further disadvantaged meanwhile. It's like using Brightskins on unpure servers, most players aren't aware they can ...
Previously I think I misunderstood the interest of forceEnemyModel, but being able to distinguish our sounds from enemies sounds brings more danger awareness. Pushing the idea further, one could say it would be nice to manually assign models to players, though it would be a kind of a hassle to manage it. This individual player awareness can normally be achieved kinda by chance when cg_forcemodel is off. cg_ForceDifferentEnemyModels with randomly chosen ones ? :D

I think Fromhell was kinda reluctant to implement the feature you ask for though, and I'm not sure it's significant enough in terms of gameplay lack so that this hacksaur technical control possibility is given.
I'd vote yes however for the sake Q3/OA already is an hacksaur engine, but don't expect people here to put much energy into it, and you may have more chance with Aftershock mod if it's not already implemented there.

Like Cacatoes said, you'll have more luck with the Aftershock mod.

And I still stand by my position on adding unfair advantage options in the base game.

spoiler: cg_forceModel was originally done to save on RAM as 1999 RAM was so inflated in price...

It's not unfair (because every one can benefit from it), but it requires knowledge, like many things in OA ... tweaks and tricks, and even some rather obvious options (proof with "handicap" setting), aren't accessible for newcomers because of knowledge.
Important things are:
- do not make this knowledge a necessity, that means: allow people to play and have fun without much effort at the beginning.
- allow newcomers to learn, which means having appropriate ressources available and made public.

The hard way of trying to seeking the enemy, including that I can't aim with low gamma. Sorry dude, you're pulling down the game.

1) It's cool for aiming cause we should see the bright skin green default (like in OSP/CPMA/QL) & hear the screaming on where it is and life left, if we use only forcemodel, you can hear them, but not sure if that's you or the opponent who jumps close: so that's a FAIL. Plus, you are in the light, seeking for the enemy who hides in darkness, and the enemy shooting you... Isn't unfair?
2) I can't see NOTHING in the darkness, cause the r_gamma doesn't work too


Easy, make this as default. Or modify the game to ask the user if he want's to seek the enemies with bright skins or not, as a interactive question.


Why the 'luck' and not the 'posibility' ?? Sorry but this is ilogic, so we should continue with blind eyes and seeking/aiming the enemy in the hard way?

Another example would have been better, actually you know who jumps since you should be aware *you* pressed the spacebar (or RMB whatever) in order to jump.

He has a lightning gun while you have no ammo and only got the saw/gaunts, isn't unfair ?


This is a separate problem which could be/should be/kinda is addressed.
It should be possible to:
- set the brightness correctly, if these settings don't work properly then some investigation should be made
- have models which do not camouflage too much (it's already a concern, in particular for future models IIUC)
- use external brightskins (it's already a possibility)

Probably not a good idea, since the expected behaviour is to let players select their models, their choice being reflected in game.

Because you pop up in projects which already have some rather established development guidelines, so the answer will vary depending on who you find behind the door you knocked on. That doesn't mean we're not open to discussions, but that means you have to get solid arguments of why this should be implemented, especially since these issues have already been discussed. One of the motivation of why Aftershock mod was started precisely was some players were unsatisfied with the decision taken by OpenArena not to make playing with bright models as part of the game design. And you're actually lucky since this mod is rather new in comparison with OpenArena project's lifetime, and as I said one of its goal is to provide brightskins with the possibility to change their colors by hexadecimal values, just what you asked for on another topic.

Hope this answers your matters ;)

I'm not sure, but I think that AfterShock has already got the force enemy model...

Anyway, I would like to see in standard OA a simple brightskin system obtained using a shader around the players, enabled or disabled (default) for all players using a server-side variable (this would not force anymore server admins to create pseudo-mods just to add brightskins... and remember that those hacks work with the models bundled with a certain version of OpenArena... now when a new version with new models comes out, admins have to create new brightskins each time).