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Title: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: LauraNeko on February 20, 2012, 05:09:42 am
the complete file nor the patch can be downloadet from the download section because the files coudln't be found.
did you remove them again to fix something again?


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: Neon_Knight on February 20, 2012, 06:35:00 am
No, it might be a problem with gamefront.

Can someone suggest another place to upload the game?


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: LauraNeko on February 20, 2012, 07:16:36 am
http://www.file-upload.net/


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: Neon_Knight on February 20, 2012, 07:18:55 am
Maximalgröße:100 MB (102400 KByte)

Not an option. :/

(I'm uploading it to AtomicGamer, it has the "wait in line", but it's something...)


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: LauraNeko on February 20, 2012, 07:32:39 am
oh, sorry didn't see that  :P


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: grey matter on February 20, 2012, 09:38:00 am
openarena-0.8.8.zip
md5 9f353d96d7889c377349d692c3905e5b
sha1 37ab41990b37459822ce8c2fe590607616e1f6d1
size 426 MiB

oa088p.zip
md5 45da37955eba40cfd0e6e0f89cbb4b61
sha1 c1f36c346cfe67dd9b844681ee506bdfb55b267e
size 79 MiB

Dunno if that one works for you as well, might require a login for ModDB;
http://www.moddb.com/downloads/start/40515/all openarena-0.8.8.zip
http://www.moddb.com/downloads/start/40416/all oa088p.zip

http://sourceforge.net/projects/oarena/files/oa088p.zip/download
http://sourceforge.net/projects/oarena/files/openarena-0.8.8.zip/download

http://mirror.9k.lv/openarena/openarena-0.8.8.zip
http://mirror.9k.lv/openarena/oa088p.zip


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: Neon_Knight on February 20, 2012, 09:50:24 am
Can someone test this link?

http://www.atomicgamer.com/file.php?id=95808


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: LauraNeko on February 20, 2012, 09:52:40 am
works but i already downloadet the patch from the forums download link because the file was not missing anymore


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: grey matter on February 20, 2012, 10:03:14 am
The forum breaks those links, they are ftp://, not http://
Code:
ftp://mirror.loop8.net/openarena/openarena-0.8.8.zip
ftp://mirror.loop8.net/openarena/oa088p.zip


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: PaniC on February 20, 2012, 12:10:40 pm
The forum breaks those links, they are ftp://, not http://
Code:
ftp://mirror.loop8.net/openarena/openarena-0.8.8.zip
ftp://mirror.loop8.net/openarena/oa088p.zip

ftp://mirror.loop8.net/openarena/openarena-0.8.8.zip (ftp://mirror.loop8.net/openarena/openarena-0.8.8.zip)
ftp://mirror.loop8.net/openarena/oa088p.zip (ftp://mirror.loop8.net/openarena/oa088p.zip)

ftp bb code, look here (http://wiki.simplemachines.org/smf/Basic_Bulletin_Board_Codes).  :)


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: Pain on February 20, 2012, 02:41:37 pm
Cool!  ;D


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: Gig on February 20, 2012, 04:18:14 pm
D'oh!
http://openarena.ws/board/index.php?topic=4443.msg43225#msg43225

Current "openarena-0.8.8.zip" (full game) does not work out-of-the-box on Linux for non-root users...


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: grey matter on February 20, 2012, 04:39:47 pm
ftp bb code, look here (http://wiki.simplemachines.org/smf/Basic_Bulletin_Board_Codes).  :)

Ah, thanks! I just tried with the url tag, which converts "ftp://" into "http://ftp//".


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: Neon_Knight on February 20, 2012, 04:42:06 pm
I'll repack and reupload it tonight.

(GDMITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!)


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: Gig on February 20, 2012, 04:49:15 pm
Maybe Fromhell should remove the download link of the complete file from the main site until the new version has been uploaded to the mirror again...


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: fromhell on February 20, 2012, 04:53:48 pm
I'll still leave a permissionless zip up and switch links when a fixed one is available

and where did that sourceforge page come from? and why is it 20 megabytes larger?

I'll repack and reupload it tonight.

(GDMITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!)

Weird because you told me you did set the permissions before uploading it


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: Neon_Knight on February 20, 2012, 05:08:06 pm
I'll repack and reupload it tonight.

(GDMITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!)

Weird because you told me you did set the permissions before uploading it
I did, but I thought that only the executables needed the permissions set.


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: grey matter on February 20, 2012, 06:12:49 pm
and where did that sourceforge page come from? and why is it 20 megabytes larger?

It's not any larger.

Code:
$ du --si openarena-0.8.8.zip
426M openarena-0.8.8.zip
$ du -h openarena-0.8.8.zip
406M openarena-0.8.8.zip

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mebibyte
Oh, and while you're at it; filesizes suck for comparisons, try http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Md5 or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sha1


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: swaggerall on February 20, 2012, 06:36:19 pm
i have alot of issues i found with this...


first off some of the parts in oa are missing colors such as in the system menu AND the crosshairs like the X/t

are missing infact theres alot of crosshairs missing


the total feel is not the same

oa logos are faded on ps9ctf in specfic


and they are either not there or faded


my first time i joined a server using the patch it was nothing but darkness but i was able to see through walls...


(WINDOWS)


on the openarena menu the openarena logo is far off to the RIGHT im not sure if its supposed to be like this but it doesnt look proper

ive spoken to people that are using linux that says there having issues with the folder as well


the patch has no issues with the logos or the crosshairs other than the logo being to the far RIGHT

i have demo but cannot upload here because it doesnt accept the .dm_71 attachment


and i have screenshots of the logos and the darkness but they came out in .tga




Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: grey matter on February 20, 2012, 06:52:19 pm
my first time i joined a server using the patch it was nothing but darkness but i was able to see through walls...

Well, this is what happens when joining an unpure 0.8.5 or even 0.8.1 server with the 0.8.8 pk3 installed locally. Don't do it.


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: swaggerall on February 20, 2012, 07:16:07 pm
why should i have to not connect to my favorite servers?

why not someone listen to me and fix it?


just want openarena to be a a game where its noob friendly


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: Neon_Knight on February 20, 2012, 07:27:13 pm
In fact, have you tried to connect to it with just a clean installation, as in only the game's packages and the default config?


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: swaggerall on February 20, 2012, 07:30:26 pm
i have done it and its the exact same


defualt cfg is what i started out with and it was with all these buggy stuff


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: fromhell on February 20, 2012, 07:50:34 pm
I wonder if you never deleted the previous test release paks.


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: Biox1dE on February 20, 2012, 08:54:48 pm
I also mirror everything...
http://biotoxic.tk/doku.php?id=openarena

==edit

LAURA!! You're using my flags for your signature :3


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: Gig on February 21, 2012, 01:59:13 am
Swaggerall, bugs caused by turning off sv_pure aren't considered bugs. Turning off sv_pure should be done for test purposes only. Turning it off can cause unpredictible results. If a server uses sv_pure 0, you should blame its admin, not OA devs. More info: http://openarena.wikia.com/wiki/Pure_server. To connect to that specific server, you will have to manually disable 088 patch before starting the game (e.g. renaming it from .pk3 to .pk3.old).

IIRC, the main menu logo moved to the right is intentional, Fromhell did it this way on purpose... Anyway, if you tested the RCs (that have been there since months), you should have already noticed that. I have no opinion if I like that or not...

With folder problems with Linux do you mean that they have problems accessing game data due to file permissions which are set to allow "root" user only? They have to change file permissions (chmod)... This is a problem that affects the "complete" 0.8.8 download package, but a fixed package should have been uploaded this night...

I have to try if crosshairs have something strange as you say, I have not tried to change them!
Are you sure you have a clean installation, without extra pk3s in your "baseoa" folders under both "basepath" (installation) folder and "homepath (http://openarena.wikia.com/wiki/Homepath)" (configuration/autodownload) folder?

If you have to upload files extensions that are not accepted by the forum, just compress them in .zip format before.


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: WaspKiller on February 21, 2012, 11:55:55 am
Swaggerall, bugs caused by turning off sv_pure aren't considered bugs. Turning off sv_pure should be done for test purposes only. Turning it off can cause unpredictible results. If a server uses sv_pure 0, you should blame its admin, not OA devs.


Gig, your comment seems strange to me.  Pure was never the default in Quake III Arena or Team Arena.  The fact that it is mandatory and not recommended is odd to this Quake veteran but perhaps, it's because I am not aware of previous OA discussions leading to the rationale of that "official" decision.


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: grey matter on February 21, 2012, 12:08:09 pm
Pure was never the default in Quake III Arena or Team Arena.  The fact that it is mandatory and not recommended is odd to this Quake veteran but perhaps, it's because I am not aware of previous OA discussions leading to the rationale of that "official" decision.

sv_pure "1" is the default value for Quake 3 1.32c. I don't have any previous sources or binaries though. It's also the default in every ioquake3 release ever since.


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: GrosBedo on February 21, 2012, 12:16:00 pm
@WaspKiller: also the reason behind this is that gamecode updates are correctly picked using sv_pure 1, without it clients cannot know whether they are using the right version or not. Also, sv_pure bugs were fixed in some revisions of ioquake3, so now it shouldn't be avoided anymore.


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: WaspKiller on February 21, 2012, 12:49:31 pm
...gamecode updates are correctly picked using sv_pure 1, without it clients cannot know whether they are using the right version or not...

Good to know.


sv_pure "1" is the default value for Quake 3 1.32c. I don't have any previous sources or binaries though. It's also the default in every ioquake3 release ever since.

I don't think so but I will verify by installing Q3 Gold and then as many of the individual updates that I have like 1.27, 1.29 and 1.32b/c.  As for the ioq3 source, I never commented on that but I trust what you say as correct.


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: GrosBedo on February 21, 2012, 01:53:37 pm
@WaspKiller: to add more details, there's no hack with sv_pure for OA, it's only the normal behaviour, and in fact it can also be used to this effect with ExcessivePlus: if an excessiveplus v2.0 has sv_pure 1, players that connects with excessiveplus v2.1 will automatically only use excessiveplus v2.0 pk3 (since E+ also use a similar incremental updates system as OA).

So it's mainly set as default to allow for automatic retrocompatibility (client OA 0.8.8 connecting to servers OA <= 0.8.5), but for a normal update (from OA 0.8.5 to OA 0.8.8) one can disable sv_pure (but it's safer to keep it enable to ensure that all clients load the required pk3 as needed). So a server that is up-to-date can set sv_pure 0, but a server running an older version should not at any cost.


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: Gig on February 21, 2012, 02:01:59 pm
My Q3 1.32c reports sv_pure 1 as default. Even my q3 DEMO (the hystorical four maps Q3 demo! v1.11) reports sv_pure 1 as default.


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: fromhell on February 21, 2012, 05:59:30 pm
I noticed neonknight took liberty with the filename (openarena-0.8.8-repack.zip)...


YOU MESSED UP IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE OA088.ZIP

you also double messed up, you deleted the original zip file!  I didn't want that until the new repack is confirmed to be available! I thought I made that clear in a PM. Now people at modDB can't download the full thing in the news link!


088 has one screwed up launch -_-  it doesn't help the news article for 088's release was authed too late enough to be snowed on by the next days' news so it never got any front page attention. Makes me wonder if that's intentional



I need a vacation.



Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: WaspKiller on February 21, 2012, 07:14:09 pm
sv_pure "1" is the default value for Quake 3 1.32c. I don't have any previous sources or binaries though. It's also the default in every ioquake3 release ever since.

My Q3 1.32c reports sv_pure 1 as default. Even my q3 DEMO (the hystorical four maps Q3 demo! v1.11) reports sv_pure 1 as default.


Grey Matter and Gig, both of your are correct.  I installed Q3 Gold (the original 1999 release that I purchased in 2000) and Pure is the default for both non-dedicated and dedicated servers.  It was not even something changed by a later patch.

OSP and Excessive Plus Clan Wars always mandated that Pure be enabled along with many other requirements so I guess this is where my confusion started.  I always assumed that Pure was not the default since it seemed redundant to insist on its being enabled when the map intros always show in large print whether the server is unlagged and/or pure.  Mea culpa.

---------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------------------------------

...I need a vacation.


You deserve one.  Congratulations to you and the Dev Team on the release of 0.8.8.  The full extent of time and skill invested will probably never be known or fully appreciated by most players but the faithful are eternally grateful.


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: swaggerall on February 21, 2012, 10:24:44 pm
 >:(


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: swaggerall on February 21, 2012, 10:25:47 pm
i have alot of issues i found with this...


first off some of the parts in oa are missing colors such as in the system menu AND the crosshairs like the X/t

are missing infact theres alot of crosshairs missing


the total feel is not the same

oa logos are faded on ps9ctf in specfic


and they are either not there or faded


my first time i joined a server using the patch it was nothing but darkness but i was able to see through walls...


(WINDOWS)


on the openarena menu the openarena logo is far off to the RIGHT im not sure if its supposed to be like this but it doesnt look proper

ive spoken to people that are using linux that says there having issues with the folder as well


the patch has no issues with the logos or the crosshairs other than the logo being to the far RIGHT

i have demo but cannot upload here because it doesnt accept the .dm_71 attachment


and i have screenshots of the logos and the darkness but they came out in .tga






LOOK INTO THESE ISSUES


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: fromhell on February 21, 2012, 10:37:59 pm
Swaggerall, bugs caused by turning off sv_pure aren't considered bugs. Turning off sv_pure should be done for test purposes only. Turning it off can cause unpredictible results. If a server uses sv_pure 0, you should blame its admin, not OA devs. More info: http://openarena.wikia.com/wiki/Pure_server. To connect to that specific server, you will have to manually disable 088 patch before starting the game (e.g. renaming it from .pk3 to .pk3.old).

IIRC, the main menu logo moved to the right is intentional, Fromhell did it this way on purpose... Anyway, if you tested the RCs (that have been there since months), you should have already noticed that. I have no opinion if I like that or not...

With folder problems with Linux do you mean that they have problems accessing game data due to file permissions which are set to allow "root" user only? They have to change file permissions (chmod)... This is a problem that affects the "complete" 0.8.8 download package, but a fixed package should have been uploaded this night...

I have to try if crosshairs have something strange as you say, I have not tried to change them!
Are you sure you have a clean installation, without extra pk3s in your "baseoa" folders under both "basepath" (installation) folder and "homepath (http://openarena.wikia.com/wiki/Homepath)" (configuration/autodownload) folder?

If you have to upload files extensions that are not accepted by the forum, just compress them in .zip format before.





LOOK INTO THESE SOLUTIONS

If you persist in being thick and rude as always, I might have to ban you again, but this time, permanently.

Requoting yourself and ignoring posts is not "just trying to help"


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: Gig on February 22, 2012, 01:58:10 am
Swaggerall, another thing that you may check: http://openarena.ws/board/index.php?topic=4460.0
If you have 085 patch pk3 under %appdata%\OpenArena\baseoa AND 088 patch under OAinstallation_folder\baseoa, you will experience problems. In that case, move both 085 and 088 patch pk3s to the same folder.


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: Virus on February 22, 2012, 03:30:30 am
I have the same problem as swaggerall with all-dark ps9ctf map since updating to 088. I checked the folders and moved away all custom pk3 files except brightskins.

 (http://img294.imagevenue.com/loc541/th_99065_shot0005_122_541lo.jpg) (http://img294.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=99065_shot0005_122_541lo.jpg)

Further I noticed on oasago2 (changed visuals/details if I am right) that I can see through the arched walls when I get close to them and the stairs of the bridge are very bumpy. This is for server A which is the same swaggerall is about.

Server A (http://dpmaster.deathmask.net/?game=openarena&server=91.121.201.15:27960)
 It says pure 0 and problems are as listed above.

Then I checked other servers
Server B (http://dpmaster.deathmask.net/?game=openarena&server=62.44.222.148:27960)
It says pure 1 and old mapscreenshots appear during loading and both maps look like before. So as you wrote before: Server A needs to be pure.

Server C (http://dpmaster.deathmask.net/?game=openarena&server=188.40.48.143:27977)
Had also tested this one. The name says it is already 088 and has pure 1. Oasago2 with new look plays all smooth there. But ps9ctf is dark???

It is not immediately important to me, but why is ps9ctf dark on server C ?


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: GrosBedo on February 22, 2012, 04:23:26 am
Videoflags I'd say.

Server B: 7
Server C: 0 (as in server A).


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: Gig on February 22, 2012, 05:05:17 am
I know nothing about videoflags. Do you know where I could find some documentation?


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: Neon_Knight on February 22, 2012, 05:35:56 am
Too strange, I can see ps9ctf normally, and I'm using 0.8.8 and a default config for it. (Only changed the screen size to 1440x900 and disabled flares and lens reflection)

Tell your admins to make sure that the server is updated to 0.8.8, both binary and pk3-wise. Also, check for pk3 with customized vms.

I know nothing about videoflags. Do you know where I could find some documentation?
http://openarena.ws/board/index.php?topic=1908.msg25566#msg25566


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: Gig on February 22, 2012, 05:50:44 am
"Videoflags" or "fairflags"?
Maybe they were initially called "fairflags" and later renamed to "videoflags"? In my OA, "fairflags" variable seems to do not exist... while "videoflags" exists (and it is set to 7, the default: that should mean 4+2+1=all three locks enabled?).

Maybe also g_persistantpowerups (cited in the post you linked) was the first name of what is now named "g_runes (http://openarena.wikia.com/wiki/G_runes)"?

Update: tried... if I set videoflags to 0, now cg_fov higher than 140 actually work (while usually cg_fov>140 affects only weapon drawing and not the world, that is shown like with 140). And it is possible to use r_vertexlight 1 (while it usually reverts to 0 instead). PS: I finally understood why high r_picmip values are automatically reverted to 3!

GrosBedo, how do you think this may be related with their problem? Maybe they use vertex light and that map it looks especially dark in that case?


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: Neon_Knight on February 22, 2012, 06:18:17 am
Yep, fairflags was later renamed to videoflags. It was a suggestion of mine, for a more neutral sounding name.

Also, simple: if with a default config the map still looks dark offline (as in, using devmap and a default config) then I'll believe it's a bug of the map. Otherwise, it's an error of their config.


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: Gig on February 22, 2012, 06:31:57 am
For me, with a default configuration, many maps look dark: one of the first things I have to do when dealing with a "clean" configuration, is to adjust brightness.


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: Neon_Knight on February 22, 2012, 06:34:58 am
I mean, dark = pitch black.

And strange, I keep on deleting my config and replacing it with a default one, (only replacing the resolution and deactivating r_lensreflection1 - and no, none of them are the problem) and the maps doesn't look dark for me. VGA problem, perhaps?


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: Graion Dilach on February 22, 2012, 06:48:41 am
Gamma, IMO.

Since gamma can be adjusted by many external levels, like room lighting, monitor settings, it's kinda beyond control. Especially that some people have better eyes, can see more out from the darkness, some not.

I do think tho that maybe gamma should be upped in the default config a tiny bit.


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: Virus on February 22, 2012, 08:21:16 am
Offline ps9ctf is all normal.
It is not about gamma. Even gamma 1000 changes nothing. The world itself is black and I can see through some iterations of walls (item show up and disappear when I move around).
 (http://img140.imagevenue.com/loc409/th_16116_shot0001_122_409lo.jpg) (http://img140.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=16116_shot0001_122_409lo.jpg)
Deleting config is no use.
No Vertex-Lightning: (Menu: System/Lightning/Lightmap (Normal))

Code:
seta r_allowExtensions "0"
seta r_allowResize "0"
seta r_anaglyphMode "0"
seta r_aviMotionJpegQuality "90"
seta r_bloom "0"
seta r_bloom_alpha "0.3"
seta r_bloom_cascade "0"
seta r_bloom_cascade_alpha "0.15"
seta r_bloom_cascade_blur ".4"
seta r_bloom_cascade_dry "0.8"
seta r_bloom_cascade_intensity "20"
seta r_bloom_darken "4"
seta r_bloom_diamond_size "8"
seta r_bloom_dry "1"
seta r_bloom_fast_sample "0"
seta r_bloom_intensity "1.3"
seta r_bloom_reflection "0"
seta r_bloom_sample_size "128"
seta r_bloom_sky_only "0"
seta r_centerWindow "0"
seta r_colorbits "0"
seta r_customPixelAspect "1"
seta r_customheight "400"
seta r_customwidth "640"
seta r_depthbits "0"
seta r_detailtextures "0"
seta r_dlightBacks "1"
seta r_drawSun "0"
seta r_dynamiclight "1"
seta r_envMode "1"
seta r_ext_compiled_vertex_array "0"
seta r_ext_compressed_textures "0"
seta r_ext_max_anisotropy "2"
seta r_ext_multisample "0"
seta r_ext_multitexture "1"
seta r_ext_texture_env_add "1"
seta r_ext_texture_filter_anisotropic "0"
seta r_ext_vertex_shader "0"
seta r_facePlaneCull "1"
seta r_fastsky "1"
seta r_finish "0"
seta r_flares "0"
seta r_flaresDlight "0"
seta r_flaresSurfradii "0"
seta r_fullscreen "1"
seta r_gamma "1.65"
seta r_greyscale "0"
seta r_ignoreFastPath "1"
seta r_ignoreGLErrors "1"
seta r_ignorehwgamma "0"
seta r_inGameVideo "1"
seta r_lensReflection1 "0"
seta r_lensReflection2 "0"
seta r_lensReflectionBrightness "0.5"
seta r_lodCurveError "250"
seta r_lodbias "5"
seta r_marksOnTriangleMeshes "0"
seta r_mode "4"
seta r_monolightmaps "1"
seta r_noborder "1"
seta r_overBrightBits "1"
seta r_picmip "3"
seta r_postprocess "none"
seta r_primitives "2"
seta r_railCoreWidth "4"
seta r_railSegmentLength "32"
seta r_railWidth "6"
seta r_roundImagesDown "2"
seta r_screenshotJpegQuality "90"
seta r_simpleMipMaps "1"
seta r_smp "0"
seta r_specMode "0"
seta r_stencilbits "0"
seta r_stereoEnabled "0"
seta r_stereoSeparation "64"
seta r_subdivisions "20"
seta r_swapInterval "0"
seta r_textureMode "GL_LINEAR_MIPMAP_NEAREST"
seta r_texturebits "16"
seta r_vertexLight "0"
seta r_zproj "64"


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: Neon_Knight on February 22, 2012, 08:48:43 am
Then it's a problem of the server. It might be outdated (i.e. using a previous version of the map, the one in 0.8.5, as the one in 0.8.8 was changed) or there's another pk3 corrupting the map.

There's also the chance that it might not be a pure server...

If offline ps9ctf is normal, it should also be normal online.


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: GrosBedo on February 22, 2012, 08:58:42 am
GrosBedo, how do you think this may be related with their problem? Maybe they use vertex light and that map it looks especially dark in that case?

Yes that was the idea. But it seems that it does not come from the graphical settings clientside.

I concur with Neon_Knight, probably conflicting pak on the server (but the server is shown as pure, but nevertheless pure does not fix every pak conflicts).


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: GrosBedo on February 22, 2012, 09:03:03 am
Ok confirmed, when I connected to the server with the update already installed on my side, it still required me to download a separate ps9ctf.pk3.

So I think we can conclude that they have a conflicting pk3 map that should be removed from their servers now that ps9ctf has been included in OA 0.8.8 pk3.


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: Gig on February 22, 2012, 09:07:05 am
This post has been written at the same time of GrosBedo's post above this one:
Maybe it's the server that has got the problem of having 085 patch under homepath and 088 patch under basebath?

I imagine this problem may affect the server as well as it can affect the client...
It would be an unmanaged patch conflict, too... like when a messed up 088 client connects to a valid 088 server, but inverted.

UPDATE: GrosBedo's post above this one seems interesting...


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: Neon_Knight on February 22, 2012, 09:56:30 am
LSS: we cannot take responsability of what the server admins place in their server dirs outside of the official packages.


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: PaniC on February 22, 2012, 10:40:28 am
Im running 188.40.48.143:27977 (Server C a few posts earlier) i removed that old pk3's now. :)


Many Servers could run into this problems, maybe a newspost about the old pk3's from "beta maps" would be a good idea? Not every serveradmin is reading here much. But at least i dont had any Problems with ps9ctf after upgrading the server to 0.8.8. :)


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: Virus on February 22, 2012, 10:43:15 am
OK. Thanks alot for the insights. :-]


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: PaniC on February 22, 2012, 10:45:59 am
Is the file posted here by Neon_Knight the acutual one?

http://openarena.ws/board/index.php?topic=4443.msg43028#msg43028

it was posted February 16, 2012 and i was still not able to download from gamefront to confirm it myself. :/

of the full downloads there is a md5sum at the downloads page but at the site of the patch its missing: http://openarena.ws/download.php?view.5


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: Neon_Knight on February 22, 2012, 11:08:12 am
That's the official upload by Lei, it should work, it's just that Gamefront has some downs these days... -.-


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: Biox1dE on February 22, 2012, 11:15:42 am
again, i reply, I mirror all downloads, you can just grab it from biotoxic.tk


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: grey matter on February 22, 2012, 11:50:43 am
Also take a look at the Wiki page about Download Mirrors (http://openarena.wikia.com/wiki/Download_mirrors).
I'll add file sizes and checksums asap. Done.


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: swaggerall on February 22, 2012, 03:13:17 pm
Then it's a problem of the server. It might be outdated (i.e. using a previous version of the map, the one in 0.8.5, as the one in 0.8.8 was changed) or there's another pk3 corrupting the map.

There's also the chance that it might not be a pure server...

If offline ps9ctf is normal, it should also be normal online.
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So are you guys gonna fix the bugs IVE LISTED and Virus listed


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: Gig on February 22, 2012, 05:14:14 pm
Swaggerall... if I understood correctly (but I may be wrong) the problems with that specific map were caused by those servers:
- server A has sv_pure turned off, and this is bad.
- server C was using a different version of the map... try connecting to it again now.


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: Neon_Knight on February 22, 2012, 06:38:24 pm
In fact, the problem is server C having a ps9ctf.pk3 with a different version of ps9ctf. This is the server admin's responsability. Not ours. Nothing to fix on our part here.


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: fromhell on February 22, 2012, 07:24:53 pm
And the menu background how it looks now is by my choice, it's not a bug.


NO I WON'T "FIX THESE BUGS"


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: Biox1dE on February 22, 2012, 08:05:58 pm
not fixing those "bugs" is understandable, but can someone pls fix the elimination "spawn in a wall" bug


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: Neon_Knight on February 22, 2012, 08:31:17 pm
Spawn in a wall? Could you be more specific regarding this?


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: Biox1dE on February 22, 2012, 08:43:35 pm
have you ever actually played elimination in OA?


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: swaggerall on February 22, 2012, 08:47:14 pm
And the menu background how it looks now is by my choice, it's not a bug.


NO I WON'T "FIX THESE BUGS"


stop acting tough its a forum bro

well FIX the fact that some crosshairs are missing


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: swaggerall on February 22, 2012, 08:49:39 pm
Spawn in a wall? Could you be more specific regarding this?



i will tell you guys finally about the elimination bugs that you all made it like im an idiot for trying to tell you about...


What he is refering to is the begining of Elimination matches , instead of spawning on a specfic spot

you spawn in the wall/bridge/water of ps37ctf



i dont know why


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: Biox1dE on February 22, 2012, 08:50:53 pm
it's not just ps37. it's any map.

http://imgur.com/a/W8I6O#0


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: swaggerall on February 22, 2012, 08:55:09 pm
so it is other maps also


Bioxide isnt there a issue with the sound during warmups in Elimination?


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: Biox1dE on February 22, 2012, 09:23:30 pm
ah, forgot about that. certain sounds are ... disabled. you won't hear the rocket fire sound, but you'll hear the sound being generated from rockets. you also wont hear explosions etc


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: fromhell on February 22, 2012, 10:28:36 pm
stop acting tough its a forum bro



......

Should I do the honors?


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: Neon_Knight on February 23, 2012, 07:57:20 am
ps37ctf isn't going to be fixed. ps37ctf2, on the other hand, will.

I'm not going to work on the "dummied out" maps (maps which aren't selectable through Skirmish or Create Server)


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: Gig on February 23, 2012, 08:05:31 am
Just for you to know, since we talked about videoflags in this thread, I created http://openarena.wikia.com/wiki/Special_game_options#Videoflags


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: Biox1dE on February 23, 2012, 08:10:36 am
ps37ctf isn't going to be fixed. ps37ctf2, on the other hand, will.

You failed to understand me, ignore Swaggerall. The problem is not with the maps, the problem is with OA's internal functions. When playing elimination whichever team spawns first gets to run around the map during warmup. (team A) Meanwhile, every single member of team B spawns dead in a wall, underwater, or in some random place. The map does not matter, it's not a map issue.


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: Gig on February 23, 2012, 08:41:08 am
ps37ctf isn't going to be fixed. ps37ctf2, on the other hand, will.

You failed to understand me, ignore Swaggerall. The problem is not with the maps, the problem is with OA's internal functions. When playing elimination whichever team spawns first gets to run around the map during warmup. (team A) Meanwhile, every single member of team B spawns dead in a wall, underwater, or in some random place. The map does not matter, it's not a map issue.
Does it happen during warmup only?
Considering that in Elimination there may be two kinds of warmup... we should understand which is the one that causes problems.

g_dowarmup: Generic warmup that can be used in any gametype. Not sure if allowed values are 0 and 1 only or more (I don't know if it is possible to set how long this warmup will be)

elimination_warmup: Elimination specific warmup. Value means seconds between rounds, must at least be 2 and higher than elimination_activewarmup
elimination_activewarmup: Elimination specific. Time (in seconds) to roam before weapons activate, must at least be 1 and lower than elimination warmup
See also: http://openarena.wikia.com/wiki/Elimination#CVARs



Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: Biox1dE on February 23, 2012, 08:42:02 am
this is in any way a "new" bug. just try it for yourself, yeah?


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: Gig on February 23, 2012, 01:32:35 pm
first off some of the parts in oa are missing colors such as in the system menu AND the crosshairs like the X/t

are missing infact theres alot of crosshairs missing

Hi! I've had a case where the background of the "system" menu (at least when accessed from the ESC menu during a match) went light grey (making text very difficult to see). I haven't been able to figure out the reason of the problem, but after deleting the homepath folder (Danger! Do it only if you know what deleting it means and you are sure you want!), it did not happen anymore.

About crosshairs, I've just tested some of them (not all of them), and I haven't been able to find any flaw in them.

Could you please post some screenshots of the problems you mentioned? Thank you!


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: GrosBedo on February 23, 2012, 02:03:07 pm
Hi! I've had a case where the background of the "system" menu (at least when accessed from the ESC menu during a match) went light grey (making text very difficult to see). I haven't been able to figure out the reason of the problem, but after deleting the homepath folder (Danger! Do it only if you know what deleting it means and you are sure you want!), it did not happen anymore.

This is when you use the latest 088 gamecode vm but you're not using the latest textures and menu packages. I did have this exact same bug when developping some stuff because I would only compile the 088 gamecode and not the rest.

Probably this happened to you because the vm was 088 but the menus or textures were 085 or 081 (and loaded from homepath).


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: Neon_Knight on February 23, 2012, 02:47:13 pm
Basically, not a bug.


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: Gig on February 23, 2012, 04:20:00 pm
Maybe yes. I figured out what caused it in my case. I'm doing some tests with videoflags (http://openarena.wikia.com/wiki/Videoflags#Videoflags) set to 0 (instead of 7, the default). If you set videoflags 0, r_vertexlight 1, vid_restart, then (from ESC menu during a match, not from the main menu!) access "Setup" menu, you see this grey background (instead of black) that makes reading very difficult. See screenshot attached.

It is not a "big" bug (I suppose few people will be affected, considering that nowadays vertex lighting is usually not used), but probably it's something that may be fixed in the future.


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: Gig on February 23, 2012, 05:20:01 pm
And I can confirm the warmup bug in Elimination mode.

During the "inactive" part of the elimination warmup, players of a team spawn correctly, but players of the other one spawn in wrong places (e.g. underwater, in walls..) where should not be spawn points, and immediately die. Once dead, they can only spectate other players until the warmup enters the "active" part and they return in-game.
If one activates generic warmup, too (g_dowarmup 1; ps: it is possible to change its duration with g_warmup), the bug happens a first time when the generic warmup starts, and a second time when the "inactive" elimination-specific warmup stars.

How to reproduce:
Launch two openarena sessions on your computer (or use two computers in LAN, if you can).
In one of them set elimination_warmup 20, elimination_activewarmup 5, g_gametype 8, map <the map you wish>.
From the other OA session, browse local servers and join the game.
One of the two players will spawn in a strange point and die, and will have to wait for the timer to reach 5 before entering the game.
In the "server" session, use /map_restart to make the problem happen again.

I suppose this is a problem only Sago can fix...

PS: I'm not sure I correctly understood why they have been created both elimination_warmup and elimination_activewarmup... what's the difference between the two (other than the second one is the "last part" of the first one)?

About various weapons sounds that do not play in Elimination during "waiting for players" and during "g_dowarmup"... I thought it was some sort of feature (a sort of "quiet mode" while not really playing), but maybe it's just a bug. Again, we need Sago for an answer!


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: Peter Silie on February 23, 2012, 05:24:47 pm
And I can confirm the warmup bug in Elimination mode.
How to reproduce:
Launch two openarena sessions on your computer.
In one of them set elimination_warmup 20, elimination_activewarmup 5, g_gametype 8, map <the map you wish>.
From the other OA session, browse local servers and join the game.
One of the two players will spawn in a strange point and die, and will have to wait for the timer to reach 5 before entering the game.
In the "server" session, use /map_restart to make the problem happen again.
 I correctly understood why they have been created both elimination_warmup and elimination_activewarmup... what's the difference between the two (other than the second one is the "last part" of the first one)?

Gig, you deserve 100 cakes!
The 1st well done bug report i saw since 0.88 is released!
I just can give you one :(


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: Gig on February 23, 2012, 05:32:41 pm
Thank you!  :)
Well, also the one above (http://openarena.ws/board/index.php?topic=4452.msg43477#msg43477) (about the less important bug, related to vertex lighting) explains how to reproduce (even if the post does not specify "how to reproduce:" words)...  :)


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: Peter Silie on February 23, 2012, 05:40:04 pm
And now the bad side:
i am not able to reproduce this behaviour :(
I can not find any server localy :(

Try to make your description more precise ;)

ps: i hope, that you know what i mean.

pps: who cares about the both other probs (various vars and weapon sound during warmup)? lets fix this 1st! After this we could examine the other probs.


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: Biox1dE on February 23, 2012, 05:40:30 pm
during active warmup, you can fire your weapons. that's the only difference

==edit
Peter Silie, you can start a skirmish and have a bot join the game while you are a spectator. Then try to join the game yourself. The second team alway spawns dead.


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: swaggerall on February 23, 2012, 10:49:55 pm
first off some of the parts in oa are missing colors such as in the system menu AND the crosshairs like the X/t

are missing infact theres alot of crosshairs missing

Hi! I've had a case where the background of the "system" menu (at least when accessed from the ESC menu during a match) went light grey (making text very difficult to see). I haven't been able to figure out the reason of the problem, but after deleting the homepath folder (Danger! Do it only if you know what deleting it means and you are sure you want!), it did not happen anymore.

About crosshairs, I've just tested some of them (not all of them), and I haven't been able to find any flaw in them.

Could you please post some screenshots of the problems you mentioned? Thank you!


is there any possible way to take a screenshot of that screen?


pressing the Screenshot button it only hiligghts in the menus


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: Gig on February 24, 2012, 02:24:57 am
during active warmup, you can fire your weapons. that's the only difference
I thought it was this way, but during my tests, yesterday, I noticed that I was not able to fire before the match begins, not even in the last seconds (those that should be of "active" warmup). This is coherent with its description in the wiki (elimination_activewarmup: time (in seconds) to roam before weapons activate)... but in this case I don't get the difference with inactive warmup. Maybe during inactive warmup you can still join a team, and during active not? I've not tested this yet. UPDATE: tested, it is possible to join a team during both inactive and active elimination warmup. It is not possible to shoot during both inactive and active elimination warmup.

@Peter: you cannot find any server locally? Very strange... maybe it's your firewall that is blocking one of the two sessions from network traffic. For how to create and find a LAN server, you can take a look to http://openarena.wikia.com/wiki/Multiplayer

@Swaggerall: use the "print" button (usually on the upper right corner) on your keyboard (this will store your screen to your windows "clipboard"), then open an image manupulation program (e.g. Paint) and paste the screenshot there, then save it as a .jpg file where you wish (if you took it from windowed mode, crop the image).

PS: What about talking about 0.8.8 bugs in the thread about 0.8.8 bugs (http://openarena.ws/board/index.php?topic=4446.0)?

PPS: It seems both missing weapons sounds before match start and instant-death during warmup problems affect gametype 8 (Elimination) and 9 (CTF Elimination), but not 10 (Last Man Standing, which is similar, but does not have teams).


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: GrosBedo on February 24, 2012, 07:38:53 am
You can also write in the console:

Code:
/screenshotJPEG


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: grey matter on February 24, 2012, 08:27:54 am
I can not find any server locally :(

Just do a /connect 127.0.0.1:27960 or whatever IP:port you're running on. Saves a few clicks and should work in any case.


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: sago007 on February 25, 2012, 01:57:08 pm
I suppose this is a problem only Sago can fix...

PS: I'm not sure I correctly understood why they have been created both elimination_warmup and elimination_activewarmup... what's the difference between the two (other than the second one is the "last part" of the first one)?

About various weapons sounds that do not play in Elimination during "waiting for players" and during "g_dowarmup"... I thought it was some sort of feature (a sort of "quiet mode" while not really playing), but maybe it's just a bug. Again, we need Sago for an answer!
elimination_warmup is the time between rounds. elimination_activewarmup are the time before the round starts that the player is allowed to spawn.

I believe the problem that you are referring to appears because the spawn function are not executed because active warmup (where you do the actual respawn). This is most notably in the beginning of the game because you start in (0,0,0) and in some maps that is outside the map. The problem does also happen then you die but here your position is the place of your corpse that are likely in the map somewhere.

I have known about this for a long time but I have always considered it cosmetic because it only happens before the game really starts (also 0,0,0 is usually a valid location and non-active-warmup tends to be very short). Many attempts to fix it have made the problem much worse (game affecting), so they have always been reverted. 


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: Gig on February 25, 2012, 02:10:14 pm
A strange thing is that some players actually spawn during the "inactive" warmup (and can move just like during the "active" warmup), while others die... Maybe not everyone spawns at 0.0.0, but why?

...and, from what you said... are you saying that in theory during "inactive" warmup noone should spawn, but everyone should be in "free spectate" mode, until "active" warmup begins?


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: sago007 on February 25, 2012, 02:40:32 pm
...and, from what you said... are you saying that in theory during "inactive" warmup noone should spawn, but everyone should be in "free spectate" mode, until "active" warmup begins?
Surviving players can stay but they too are forced to respawn when active warmup starts.

There is a small exception because to just spectate until another player joins is quite boring. I don't remember the exact rules for it anymore (this was coded back in 2007) but if the round could not start due to missing players the game would relax a bit and allow spawning players and activate weapons. This feature was never polished but even in that state I still considered it a better alternative.


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: GrosBedo on February 25, 2012, 04:01:48 pm
Maybe yes. I figured out what caused it in my case. I'm doing some tests with videoflags (http://openarena.wikia.com/wiki/Videoflags#Videoflags) set to 0 (instead of 7, the default). If you set videoflags 0, r_vertexlight 1, vid_restart, then (from ESC menu during a match, not from the main menu!) access "Setup" menu, you see this grey background (instead of black) that makes reading very difficult. See screenshot attached.

It is not a "big" bug (I suppose few people will be affected, considering that nowadays vertex lighting is usually not used), but probably it's something that may be fixed in the future.

Just to reply to this other bug: if this happens in normal gaming conditions, then this bug should be fixed. But it's weird that this texture get loaded only when vertex is enabled and not when lightmap is?


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: Gig on February 26, 2012, 06:01:12 am
It seems the same problem as here:
http://openarena.ws/board/index.php?topic=4443.msg43548#msg43548

Fromhell replied that "Vertex light is not supported" (I suppose this means FH will not search a way to fix it).


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: andrewj on February 26, 2012, 07:06:50 am
r_vertexLight 1 seems to mess up all complex shaders, just go to oa_bases3 and see the difference in the sky or the flashy bit in the flag rooms.  Since the menu background is a shader, it messes that up too when a game is active.

The fix would require seeing how r_vertexLight 1 manipulates the shaders and make it smarter (if possible).

 


Title: Re: Finished 0.8.8 not available
Post by: GrosBedo on February 26, 2012, 02:04:53 pm
@andrewj: thank's for the explanation, crystal clear now.