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ok, why does my server not show up on the master server list?
i tried some things i read in the forum but with no results.
the server is on my private machine.

Are you saing that with 0.8.5 it worked and stopped working after 0.8.8 upgrade? Or is it a "new" server?

Already checked the suggestions here?
(DO NOT LINK) h t t p s : / / openarena . wikia . com/wiki/Multiplayer
(DO NOT LINK) h t t p s : / / openarena . wikia . com/wiki/Multiplayer#Dedicated_server
(DO NOT LINK) h t t p s : / / openarena . wikia . com/wiki/Multiplayer#IPs.2C_routers_and_firewalls
(DO NOT LINK) h t t p s : / / openarena . wikia . com/wiki/Multiplayer#Testing

it didn't work on 0.8.5 nor does it work on 0.8.8

also it does show up in the games server list but not on the master server site

i don't know what to do...
i opened some ports manually in my firewall
i also told the servers to conenct to this ports but still nothing in the master list...
but why telling them...they are already using these ports and things work fine
people can connect from the games list.
but it wont show up on the amster server list.

Try following the tests I linked before, and tell us which work and which not...

E.g. what happens if you type this URL in your browser? http://dpmaster.deathmask.net/?game=openarena&server=My_server_IP (place your IP or IP:port in the place of "My_server_IP").

Can you tell us your server address and port, and keep the server up (with a map loaded) for some time? Are you sure you are using "dedicated 2" mode?

From what I understand from your post, other pleople sees your server from the built-in server browser, but not from http://dpmaster.deathmask.net/?game=openarena ? Very strange... Are those people are from the internet or from your LAN?

As Gig pointed out, I'm myself pretty sure you tested with the same machine (or another in the same lan) to connect to your gameserver. A gameserver in a LAN will always be found in the serverlist, but internet players won't have it in their games list, unless your server shows up in the master server list (actually this is why the master server list exists).

Probably you don't have the right configuration for your firewall. Remember to allow both UDP and TCP for the ports used by your gameserver. Also, you can sniff your own communication with Wireshark to see where it is broken.

lol no, not lan.other people wouldn't be able to join from the internet if it only would be lan and yes the servers are dedicated 2

then my server appears for me

Okay... then maybe it's your heartbeat packet that is port-translated by your router, and thus the master server replies using the wrong port (I don't know if in that case other clients are able to find your server... dpmaster web site not!).

Try reading attently the part that says "you should verify that it really appears in the server list" in (DO NOT LINK) h t t p s : / / openarena . wikia . com/wiki/Manual/Multiplayer#Testing, and check how it may apply to your case...

i'm not using a router.i'm using a modem

So, you are not behind a NAT/PAT? Is your computer IP the same as your external IP?
Did you try to disable any firewall, as a test?

I'm not talking about the dedicated cvar: a server can always be accessed by its ip and port, even if it's not shown in the master server listing.

I concur with Gig as I'm pretty sure that your server just does not reply correctly to the master server listing heartbeats.

Also, please check that sv_master1 is set to dpmaster.deathmask.net

no i guess they are not the same and no i didn't disable the firewall because of the security risk.


is set correctly.

ok i deactivated the firewall and restarted the servers but it didn't help at all.
i bet nothign will help.
because i always run in not working stuff.
like the program gtkradiant it wont work correctly for me.
i alsow as searching for the improt/export plugin for blender for open arena
modeling.both links are broken.
i'm very very unlucky

About Blender plugin, try asking Fromhell.
Maybe you may find something useful here:
(DO NOT LINK) h t t p s : / / openarena . wikia . com/wiki/Models
(DO NOT LINK) h t t p s : / / openarena . wikia . com/wiki/Modeling
(DO NOT LINK) h t t p s : / / openarena . wikia . com/wiki/Making_a_player_model
(DO NOT LINK) h t t p s : / / openarena . wikia . com/wiki/Creating_a_player_model_in_Blender
(DO NOT LINK) h t t p s : / / openarena . wikia . com/wiki/MD3_format
(DO NOT LINK) h t t p s : / / openarena . wikia . com/wiki/DeveloperFAQ
If you find updated links for those plugins, please let me know, I'll try to update the wiki.

About *Radiant, there should be something around here:
(DO NOT LINK) h t t p s : / / openarena . wikia . com/wiki/Mapping_resources_%26_tutorials
(DO NOT LINK) h t t p s : / / openarena . wikia . com/wiki/Mapping_resources_%26_tutorials#Resources <<-- OA Gamepack for Radiant.
I think Sago published a single download package with Radiant including the gamepack... but I cannot find it right now...

i can not understand why the heck the master server shows my server when i post the ip behind it but not when my server posts the ip to the master server.this is a mysterie

you are wrong.otehr people see it in the game list.but not on the master server list.

When you manually tell master server your server ip, it queries the right port (usually, 27960).

If master server answers to your server heartbeat (a packet that your server sends to master to inform master about your server existence), then it replies to the port from which your heartbeat come from.

This is usually a problem while behind a NAT/PAT:
Example:
1) Your server allows incoming packets on port 27960. Clients can connect to it if they know its address, and master server can query it if you specify its address in the URL bar in your browser.
2) Your server sends the heartbeat packet to destination: master server port 27950. But your NAT/PAT makes that packet appearing with a random source port (example: 49821) instead of your real 27960 port.
3) Master server replies to your heartbeat, and after few packets to your 27960 port (or maybe to your 49821 port still open and correctly PATted for a moment, I'm not sure), it points to your port 49821 instead of your 29760 as destination, and that port is closed/not checked by the program. Thus it fails.

ok, and what to do about this?


but wait i tried disabling my firewall but it still didn't work  >:(

wanna know what?i guess there is a bug in this shit.
because in oa are many unfixed ones >:(

The thing I usually suggest in this case is to check outgoing NAT rules. But if you are using a modem instead of a router, and shut down all of your firewall features... I don't know what to think.

It sounds strange it to be a 0.8.8 bug, I see at least one "0.8.8" server in dpmaster page. :-\

Maybe you may try some Wireshark packet analysis?

....another thing: are you using IPv4 or IPv6? There is a problem with OpenArena 0.8.x and Master Server: it does not show IPv6 OA servers.

ipv4

Ok listen kid (because you obviously don't have a very high level of maturity), here you are trying to do stuff that are reserved to technical people, people that know what they do and have the technical background required to understand what they do and run those kind of tools. They are not click & play. Playing the game is click & play, but hacking the maps or running a server is not.

You're new to the game and the community, and also you seem to lack the technical background, so stop ashaming and downing the ones that try to help you. As you can see this is an open community, because else you would have been trashed away for just being new and ignorant (and I quite agree that the latter is enough of a crime).

I'm one of the most experienced servers administrator currently in the OA community, I've done a lot of hacking and I think I've got a pretty good knowledge of the engine.

I'm 95% sure that your problem resides in your server NOT replying to the master server heartbeats, at least not consistently. Here's how the mechanism work:

1- when starting your server, your server sends a heartbeat packet to the master server. The master server will then instantly show your server in the listing, but only temporary.
2- The master server sends you either a GetInfo or GetStatus packet. If your server replies with correct data, it's ok, your server stays in the listing. If not, your server disappears from the listing.
3- Now the master server will wait a few seconds/minutes before requerying your server, OR your server will send cyclicly a heartbeat packet to the master server to confirm that its alive (both have their own schedule because the master server can "forget" to requery your server if your server was lagging at the time). Then it cycles between step 1 to 3.

So I guess (and I'm pretty sure of it), that your server is stuck after step 1: your server sends a heartbeat, but then it either doesn't receive the master server packets (they are not forwarded correctly to your server machine), or your server doesn't reply correctly (bad config? I don't think so, you didn't hack the engine).

You can check this easily: start your server, quickly go to the master listing server html page:
http://dpmaster.deathmask.net/?game=openarena

Your server should be in the listing if you were quick enough to load the page. Now refresh every few seconds and check if your server stays in the listing or if it disappears. If it disappears, you are exactly in the case I described.

So again, check your firewall or ADSL box, and most specifically the forwarding capabilities. And stop acting as if you know everything. But if you really know anything, everything here is open, so start contributing by yourself instead of whining.

wow stop insulting me.first of all i'm not a kid and second i checked everything but nothing worked.i'm just angry because nothing works and i didn't insult anyone.and if gtkradient would work then i would already have fixed existing bugs in maps and built some maps and if one of both downloads of the in/exporter for models for blender would work then i would already have started editing characters.it's not my fault that things won't work...

For help with Blender, try asking Fromhell (http://openarena.ws/board/index.php?action=profile;u=1). I don't know why, but Fromhell rarely answers to PMs... maybe it's better to use the "Models" (http://openarena.ws/board/index.php?board=50.0) sub-forum for such questions (e.g. there is an existing thread about md3 importer/exporter here (http://openarena.ws/board/index.php?topic=2139.0), you may take a look to it).

For help with Mapping, try asking Neon_Knight (http://openarena.ws/board/index.php?action=profile;u=1684).

See also:
(DO NOT LINK) h t t p s : / / openarena . wikia . com/wiki/DeveloperFAQ#Who_should_I_contact_for_more_info.3F
PS: GrosBedo, can I write you instead of Cacatoes (who has been banned from the forum) as "server help" there?

thank you again gig you are a book full of informations :)

and by the way, someone has to tell fromhell that he/she has made a typo int he topic

   Getting "Invalid Game Folder"? READ THIS BEFORE POSTING!

from hell has written that people shall update to 0.8.0
this needs to be corrected because there are tons of people
who will search for the 0.8.0 update instead of 0.8.8 i'm sure.
because most people don't even know about new patches and some
still use 0.8.1

You can use a tool like qstat to get a full server list (containing all servers, including unresponsive ones) from a masterserver and check whether it includes your IP at all. If it does, you'd check whether your router broke the port.

thank you iw ill try this out :)

You're insulting everyone with your unconstructive criticisms. This is an opensource project, what do you expect when saying that "nothing works" and that it's a "broken game" apart from irritating everyone?

And yes that's your fault if things do not work for you, these are complicated tools (and I know myself because I had a hard time making them work, and each release version works differently), so there's nothing wrong in asking for help, but please stop crying.

But I know you have good feelings toward this game and community and that you want to contribute, but please respect the time spent by other people: this game wasn't made in one day and things that are not fixed are not because of the limited number of contributors and the limited contributors' time.

Anyway good luck in fixing your problem and feel free to ask. You can also try to add in your commandline:

To get more debugging infos in your gamelog, but I don't know if this will really show any meaningful infos for your problem.

@Gig: Yes, I will always reply to PMs.

"unconstructive criticisms"?

no...not really.i'm posting pics and detailed informations about what is wrong and how it can be fixed.
but yes i could stop critism.i also could stop reporting bugs.but this would help no one.since i can't fix the bugs, they have to do it so i'm telling them.and beeing angry about stuff which doesen't work is pretty ok i think when you read like 10 pages of informations and many posts and try out many things and still won't work.this is still not an excuse for going beserk on me.(and again it is not my fault if it won't work because i have done everythign right.there is nothign for me left to do)also the qstat file won't work...as i expected...it closes immediatly.

by the way this is all i read from your post: "unconstructive criticisms" i ignored the rest because i didn't want to read further.

That's exactly the problem. I know you are trying to contribute, and your pics are particularly informative. The problem is when you do unconstructive criticisms.

And no it's not normal that you get angry about that.

yes it is normal getting angry about not working things.
and i won't argue anymore with you.

Then don't argue, ACT! ;)

It's a command line tool. I'm not really using Windows, so I can't help you there.
Furthermore I think you'll need a modified qstat.cfg, since OA has changed the protocol cvar (Quake3 had 68).

I'll do some testing on my Linux box and report back :)

Edit:
Maybe those aren't all required settings, I didn't find a documentation on the syntax yet.
Then launch qstat similar to this (where "qstat.cfg" is the path to the config file above);
It will take a little, then output all servers including the unresponsive ones like this;
This is what'd you check for your IP:port. If it is not listed, the problem is on your end, i.e. before or at your router/modem/firewall(s).

i thought so but i also thought iw ould just have to click it.
well now i just dragged it on msdos and it worked.

but none of the commands in this program worked.

Did you read and try what I've written above? Did qstat spit out any errors?

sorry i'm to tired for today i need a break but i will try it tommorow thankies for your big help so far :)

edit: tried the syntax but it doesen't work and i don't get any specific erros.just the one you get everytime when you use a non existing command.by the way i have the same problem with another command lien tool i just used.

you see, i'm running into not working stuff all the time.

it's really not my fault  because i'm doign everthign correctly :/

I never tried qstat, I fear I cannot help here...

As I said these tools are hard to configure. But it will work if you persevere.

You can also try NetRadiant, some people cannot get GTKRadiant to work with newer versions of Linux, you may be one of these:

http://openarena.ws/board/index.php?topic=2722.0

wow, this is strange.i had the master server site opened.and when i looked at it again it had my ninjactf server in the list!but when i refreshed the site it was gone again.i don't know why or when or with what configuration this was possible because i tried many.i'm not even sure if it was shown because i changed something.before i looked at the list have have changed everything back.so i don't know if this came from any configuration or just randomly.

I reread this thread, and seriously the part about qstat is a real comedy (BTW thank's Grey Matter for the qstat config!).

LauraNeko, you don't even know how to manipulate commandline tools.

You simply aren't qualified to use this tool. You should first read some tutorials about commandline tools, furthermore I would advise that you read books on how to manipulate Linux systems (not just use them but administration and scripting of these). That is, if you really want to get the skills to make the stuff you want (and these skills will be useful as well for any other domain of computer engineering).

i'm not even on linux.

and i don't care about what you say.
stop interfering into other peoples
conversation with provocative
stuff.you really are a pain.
leave me alone.

Obvious troll is obvious.

Nevertheless, my advice about Linux learning is judicious because it's an OS that you can fully run from commandline, and commandline tools are well conceived on this OS.

You can also learn batch in Windows but it's not the same purpose (mainly used by windows server admins, not really for the day-to-day tasks).

Again new fishes?

Obvious impatience is obvious.

Is this how we should respect newbies for having technical questions and getting lost at some of the responses? Try not to condescend while responding okay? It is provocative and leads to a more hostile atmosphere.


Sorry for me not checking this thread earlier, but this has been disappointing for me to read.  The outcome could have been better

Some of you even want me to ban LauraNeko for being "the next swaggerall". Well, guess what? I'm not going to do that.  Besides, she has provided more useful feedback (to me) than swaggerall has ever done.

There's a first time for everything - i'm pretty sure things will get better months from now.  She is already more mature than some prominent former OA members I know  ::)

 

Impatience has nothing to do with a troll detection.
Typical behaviour (list is not complete ofc):
double post
insulting (usualy begins with mild comments)
ignoring helpfull information
do not answer questions asked
spaming
...

I would say, that most of the guys who tried to help here were not impatient.
But you are right if you say, that LauraNeko shouldnt be banned.
It needs more than a first trolling.
But he should be aware, that some guys already noticed the behaviour.

ps: i did a nasty comment about LNs posting on another forum regarding his japanese castle question made there too.
I will make an official excuse here to LN!
Wasnt my best idea to write such a shitty comment. _i_am_sorry_!

Can I get banned, please ?  ;D






.... just an example of trolling. :)

Okay....

I think this is pretty clear that fromhell's posts are intended to me.

I don't want this to be a flamewars so I will be short.

I greatly respect new players because they show a fantastic curiosity and learning abilities. Learning something new is never easy.

Sorry if I sounded aggressive, I was just reminding her the uncivility and disrespect she displayed, and I don't think this should be excused by being new. But I never intended her be banned, she has good intentions and her incorrect behaviour is mainly a lack she can, I'm sure, enhance, hence the goal of my virulent reply. If there was no hope, I wouldn't be taking the time to reply her, ignoring is far worse.

Be assured that I share the same hopes:

Lastly, sorry if my replies have disappointed you, please believe me that this was not an impulsive nor impatient reaction but a thoughted up reply that was virulent because of my strong principles. But I respect your vision, and if that's not the way you want your community to behave, I will try to refrain from being virulent.

And I think all this is now past. LauraNeko is behaving much better now.