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Title: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: Jakash3 on July 23, 2012, 08:30:06 pm
I give up on openarena


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: Tiago on August 19, 2012, 01:40:57 pm
I?


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: Jakash3 on April 05, 2013, 06:37:18 pm
I give up on openarena


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: Gig on April 06, 2013, 03:57:55 am
Excuse me Jackash... but if you are blaming the whole game and this forum for the behavior of third-party people (third party server admins and third party players), you are clearly wrong.

Servers do not have a centralized supervision (OA comes from Q3A, not from Quake Live. We don't have their unique login name system they have), and there are many different "oa communities" out there, that are used to play on different servers and talk on different forums.

There is a "master server" (and it is run by third-party, I think), but it merely lists normal servers... it does not have any control over them. Anyone can run his own server, and we cannot control him in any way.

Only few server admins and oa players actually write in this forum.

If you find a lamer like the one you found... I suggest to don't lose your time imitating him. Just tell him to stop acting wrong once or two times, without using offensive words. If this does not work, callvote to kick him once. If this does not work, just move yourself to another server, and let that lamer play alone or annoy other people. :)


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: Jewjitsu on April 06, 2013, 08:25:51 am
LoL. Call the OA Police! fromhell come arrest Omi, he kicked (didnt ban) C++(jakash) for being a sore winner. What I mean by that is being abusive to people when he wins a game. No one likes that bs attitude and it runs off players. I was there, I was spectating while eating, he deserved it. C++, quit crying on OA forums as if it accomplishes anything. Someone deduct another cake from him, i demand it!


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: Jakash3 on June 19, 2013, 12:44:44 am
I give up on openarena


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: Gig on June 19, 2013, 01:20:40 am
I find nothing humiliating in arriving second in a DM, no matter the reason.
This is just a game, play for fun!  :)

By the way, what happened? A guy killed himself just before you managed to kill him? The game already discourages this, by lowering the score of who commits suicide... what else should the game do? Disable the "kill" command? But somethimes it is useful (e.g. if you get stuck in a badly designed map)... and however one might find other ways to suicide (e.g. jumping into lava or into a pit of death, or rocket-jumping while having low health).
In recent OA versions (from 0.8.5), IIRC, if there are only 2 players in a deathmatch (and also in Tournament mode), if one of the two suicides, instead of having his own score lowered as usual, the opponent's score goes up instead (in a head-to-head 1vs1 match, you cannot suicide to prevent the opponent from scoring the final frag). Of course this rule change does not apply to old mods.


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: Jakash3 on June 19, 2013, 01:23:30 pm
I give up on openarena


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: zeroth on June 19, 2013, 03:31:01 pm
Quote from: Jakash3
If you would actually play the game, you would understand.

Obviously, you don't understand the concept: IT"S A DAMN GAME. I've played against you, C++, (and my forum name is the same as my gaming name), and you are good, but what does it prove to slaughter a bunch of mediocre players (I being one of many that play on ciggaweed). Why don't you turn your handicap down, if you are so good? If you are that competitive, join a clan and play on their private servers. Otherwise, shut the hell up. ciggaweed is the only FFA server to consistently have more than two players, and you want to trash them for some slight to your ego. "Waaaaah! I didn't come in first, cause some player suicided."

Man up, and FRAG ON...


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: fromhell on June 19, 2013, 03:58:18 pm
The developers are wasting their time making this game for these selfish and abusive players.
You could apply that to about every fps game out there really. I've seen incidents where admins of Left4Dead2 servers were able to unbind every key of a player they didn't like.

Also i'm only really doing it for the art, not for some sense of empowerment. So don't blame the devs!


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: Gig on June 20, 2013, 12:57:18 am
f you are that competitive, join a clan and play on their private servers.
This sounds like a nice idea.

Playing with your own DO NOT LINK[/b]) h t t p s : / / openarena . wikia . com/wiki/OpenArena_Clan_Roster]Clan (http://([b) members should give you the chance to play with other "serious" people, instead of casual players, noobs and lamers.
If someone would get the habit of ruining other people's playing, he would be kicked from the Clan, so he would not disturb on that private server anymore.

PS: I've just played some matches on Ciggaweed server. Most of them were won by C++... on some maps I performed quite bad, but in am_galmevish I ended up fourth out of something like 12 players or more, and I consider it a good result. What can I say? In that server, due to having a quite large number of players, when playing in small maps (or maps with narrow corridors and small rooms) it can result too chaotic... but in general I liked playing there, although it still runs the old 0.8.1 release.


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: Jakash3 on June 20, 2013, 02:04:37 am
I give up on openarena


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: Gig on June 20, 2013, 02:44:32 am
Taking a look to this thread,
http://openarena.ws/board/index.php?topic=3823.0

It seems that error may be caused by old binaries. Are you sure you are using 0.8.5 or 0.8.8 binaries (openarena.exe)?


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: Jakash3 on June 20, 2013, 07:50:24 pm
I give up on openarena


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: Gig on June 21, 2013, 03:41:18 am
Quite strange. I would suggest you to try using a clear configuration file (renaming q3config.cfg to something else, then trying again: the game will create a new configuration file) or a clear "homepath" folder (you can try renaming it, so the game will create a new one), or even a clear "basepath" folder (reinstall the game).

I forgot to ask you which OS are you using. If you are using Linux, where did you get the game from? From official OA site or from a Linux repository?

However, I read for the linked thread, that another reason may be the kind of NAT/PAT applied by your router.


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: Color on June 23, 2013, 02:32:53 am


Ciggaweed isn't the only server with players.. Maybe one of only DM server with players.. But you can play TDM or CTF, it's way more fun and challenging than DM..

I would agree that this is a big thumbs down for Ciggaweeds server, I played on it few times and whenever I played a space map, if I got enemies on low hp they would just jump off the platform and die denying my score.. I was 1st once and I got like 5 kills denied in row so I just left the server.. That server isn't competitive, it's just all about luck, if you will get a kill or not depends more on your enemies choice (if they will deny your kill or not) than it depends on your skill.

Ciggaweeds server sucks! I don't even see why people play there.. You air rocket somebody on space map and he falls off the platform and you don't get the kill !

Hopefully you fix the problem you are having with connecting to the other servers and end up playing a serious server :)


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: Gig on June 23, 2013, 03:49:51 am
Ciggaweeds server sucks! I don't even see why people play there.. You air rocket somebody on space map and he falls off the platform and you don't get the kill !
"DO NOT LINK[/b]) h t t p s : / / openarena . wikia . com/wiki/Award_pushing]Award pushing (http://([b)" is a feature that was not included in the original q3 game, and it's enabled by default only since OA 0.8.5 (and that server is still using 0.8.1).


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: EvilDrBrain on June 23, 2013, 12:38:18 pm
Hi all. This is my first post so I’d like to start with a big ‘Thank you!’ to all the OA community and developers who have spent long hours making this game great. Keep up the good work!

As for Ciggaweed, I’ve been a regular player there and an admin for nearly 3 years now, so I kinda feel the need to speak up a bit in my home server’s defense.

I’d describe Ciggaweed as an ‘entry level’ server with a simple gametype that can be enjoyed both by newcomers to the game, as well as old veterans who want to catch a quick round or two of OA after work.

The low level of competitiveness suits the player base well, as it eases pressure on new players and gives them a chance to learn the game at their own pace, and it also provides more experienced players an almost constantly populated server to pop in and out of whenever they want. Also, despite its reputation, Ciggaweed is well moderated every day, by at least one of multiple admins (the higher population of new players makes things like aimbots a higher threat).
 
With that being said, though, there are a handful of ‘trolls’ that frequent the server, who are for the most part longtime players themselves and often spend more time goofing off than playing seriously. Super-competitive players sometimes find these people annoying because of their lackadaisical approach to the game, hence the creation of threads like this one.

As it has been suggested, if serious competition is what you are looking for, try joining a clan (there ARE a few active ones left), and play on its servers, or else move on to a more competitive gametype. Or try bringing complaints to the server owner (MarquisDeSade in this case) or an admin rather than a public forum that has no control over individual servers.

TL;DR: Ciggaweed has helped far more people than it has hurt, and it hardly seems fair to bash the whole server just because someone lost a match. Suck it up and win the next one.


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: zeroth on June 23, 2013, 05:04:52 pm
I played on it few times and whenever I played a space map, if I got enemies on low hp they would just jump off the platform and die denying my score.. I was 1st once and I got like 5 kills denied in row so I just left the server.. That server isn't competitive, it's just all about luck, if you will get a kill or not depends more on your enemies choice (if they will deny your kill or not) than it depends on your skill.

So, the fact that n00bs play on this server, with space maps being some of the most difficult due to falling or accidentally jumping off, means that people are intentionally denying you frags.  ::) Simply refer to prior posts, and common sense: if you don't like it play somewhere else. Do you really think people are awed when you come in first? Do they care at all?

TL;DR: Ciggaweed has helped far more people than it has hurt, and it hardly seems fair to bash the whole server just because someone lost a match. Suck it up and win the next one.

Thanks for that EvilDrBrain. I play on ciggaweed almost daily and have noticed the full range of player behavior. The 'trolls' seem rare, though you are correct about the whimsical nature of some, I just don't see them as motivated to disrupt another player.

I can't wait to get flamed by some "camper"; I occasionally make it my mission to dislodge campers, at the expense of my score.


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: Color on June 24, 2013, 08:48:05 am
@Zeroth

So the fact that I said that people intentionally denied my frags means I'm lying and it was actually noobs who didn't know how to play and didn't know that jumping off platform denies kill, and apparently didn't know that walking off platform kills them ? Are you trying to insult my intellect with your banal statement ?
I think I made it pretty clear that I don't play this server, so you don't need to lecture me. And what exactly part of your quote is making you think that I was expecting people to be awed when I come on the server ?

And just to make it more clear for you since you obviously don't get it..

They didn't walk off by accident while being next to edge, they ran towards the edge and jumped off intentionally, they weren't even near edge when I started shooting them, and there were better places for them to escape from my attack, while staying alive.

Here's a exmaple
Wrackdm17 map, I had rifle and I was shooting guy close to the teleport, he was shooting at people on the other side, and when I got good amount of shots on him, he ran and jumped off the platform, probably with less than 20 hp.. I wasted most of my ammo..
Then there was this guy I was fighting with gun (we both had guns), and he had some good shots on me, but I shoot him twice, and he just turned around and jumped off, I couldn't kill him since the delay.. In this case he took most of my hp, wasted my gun ammo and denied my frag.


Still it doesn't matter if the player is good or bad..

I hate how the skilled shots aren't rewarding in some cases

For example I had this happen to me,
Wrackdm17 map, guy is jumping with rail from the side platform (he is actually not killable when performing that jump) if you hit him with rail or rocket, in my case I hit him with rocket I was really proud of my shot, but he just fell off and I didn't get anything from hitting such accurate shot, except I lost ammo.




Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: Jewjitsu on June 24, 2013, 11:35:04 pm
With all the time spent crying about OpenArena, you could be spending the time practicing your skills so you won't need to come on a forum whining about it. Color, your last post is the biggest offender, but there's many more in this thread. Have fun you tools, it's a game.


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: Color on June 25, 2013, 04:19:46 am
Why are you guys taking my opinion about a server so personal ? I'm not offending anyone when I say that the kill denying possibility on Ciggaweed server is a big thumb down for the server.
Or when I say Ciggaweed server sucks, I'm not insulting any player nor anyone personally..

I was offended with Zeroths statement about my judgement being false (making me look like a liar) and somehow coming out arrogant ? So in last post I did defend myself, wouldn't you ?.. His post wasn't about server it was about me.. I didn't insult anyone personally, and I don't have anything against any of you.

I think none of you aren't being real about the issue, you are just protecting the server without putting any thinking into it and taking my opinion about it personal.

And don't worry about my skill ^^, for the issue I'm pointing out, skill is irrelevant


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: Gig on June 25, 2013, 04:51:22 am
Color, it seems Zeroth finds unprobable that people purposedly jumps off the map just to prevent you from scoring a point. This does not necessarily mean that he thinks you are "lying", but he may think that you may have misunderstood.

I can guess maybe he has not played against the same people you were playing (or he played against them in non-space maps), and so he may have not noticed this particular (lamer) behavior from them.

What about starting recording a demo, when you will encounter these (lamer or noob) players again?

However, suiciding is a stupid thing in any way, do to the fact the suicide guy will lower his own score by doing it.


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: Jewjitsu on June 25, 2013, 06:58:55 am
Color is clearly lying and exaggerating. Look at the backpedaling, clarification and mistaken assumption that anyone takes him seriously whatsoever.


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: Color on June 25, 2013, 09:48:26 am
Color is clearly lying and exaggerating. Look at the backpedaling, clarification and mistaken assumption that anyone takes him seriously whatsoever.

Anyone with IQ above 40 would take me seriously since I'm obviously pointing out a big problem this server has, and not only I noticed the problem but OP as well, and probably many more..

If I was as shallow as you I would say you are defending and trying to keep this problem just so you could continue abusing it, you do seem like the type of person who would jump off the platform and deny a kill.

Calling me a liar is really low and a desperate attempt to make it look like the problem isn't there. You are delusional.

@Gig sorry but I'm not gonna bother making demos of the server, since I don't really care, and I am not gonna waste my time on there.. Plus majority is happy with the problem, even though it was actually fixed in OA 0.8.5 they don't seem to even think of it as a problem. Therefor my investigation would be pointless.


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: Jewjitsu on June 25, 2013, 10:18:12 am
Anyone with IQ above 40 would take me seriously
So... You calculate people's IQs based on how seriously they take your belly aching? Who are you, Al Gore?

If I was as shallow as you I would say you are defending and trying to keep this problem just so you could continue abusing it, you do seem like the type of person who would jump off the platform and deny a kill.
Yawn, I could probably jump off platforms the whole game and still win vs you. You should learn how to be mocked.

Calling me a liar is really low and a desperate attempt to make it look like the problem isn't there. You are delusional.
I have been a lawyer for 12 years and a prosecutor for 3 of them. I know bovine excrement when I see it. I'm not desperate, I was mildly amused but you become more boring by the minute.

@Gig sorry but I'm not gonna bother making demos of the server, since I don't really care, and I am not gonna waste my time on there..

You dont? Then explain this crap you said just 3 lines above:
I'm obviously pointing out a big problem this server has, and not only I noticed the problem but OP as well, and probably many more..

And finally, the only honest thing you've said all day:

Plus majority is angry with ciggaweed, because in my emo dream land everyone agrees with me and cares what I think. Therefor my investigation would be embarrassing. I hope no one seen what a dumb crybaby I am. I envy Jewjitsu and his manly pecs.

[Edit] Nice job editing your post after the fact. That's just low (http://www.torclan.com/oaserial.jpg) man.


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: Color on June 25, 2013, 01:11:04 pm
Edit:
stop making yourself look like a joke, clown





Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: Gig on June 26, 2013, 12:16:47 am
And finally, the only honest thing you've said all day:
Plus majority is angry with ciggaweed, because in my emo dream land everyone agrees with me and cares what I think. Therefor my investigation would be embarrassing. I hope no one seen what a dumb crybaby I am. I envy Jewjitsu and his manly pecs.
Uh? This sounds like a joke or a fake. It seems unlikely that someone may have posted a such thing.

However, what about stopping this sort of flame war?

To sum up:
- Ciggaweed server is a place for casual players, where people can have fun if they just like to play the game without caring the score table.
- It can be played also by people having the old 0.8.1 release. Of course this means that later features are not available.
- Some players that play there seem to have annoying behaviors, like suiciding for deying a score to the attacker.
- If one wants a more "pro" challenge, or taking advantage of 0.8.5+ features (e.g. "award pushing"), there are other servers around... and also DO NOT LINK[/b]) h t t p s : / / openarena . wikia . com/wiki/OpenArena_Clan_Roster]Clans (http://([b) who run their own private servers.


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: Jewjitsu on June 26, 2013, 12:42:36 am
Erm, it was over until you began to kick a dead horse.

Oh and one more thing, to Gig this time:

I don't have any problems with Color, but I do take issue with people who come on the OA dev forums to complain about a negative experience they had in a privately run server, wasting everyone's time with their incessant whining and highly exaggerated and embellished anecdotes of their troubles. I find it highly annoying and immature of those who do it, and just as it is their right to complain, I have a right to respond with mockery in similar measure. At least I'm very aware that I'm wasting my time on these boards and not trying to push some narrow opinion.


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: Color on June 26, 2013, 05:18:34 am
Erm, it was over until you began to kick a dead horse.

Oh and one more thing, to Gig this time:

I don't have any problems with Color, but I do take issue with people who come on the OA dev forums to complain about a negative experience they had in a privately run server, wasting everyone's time with their incessant whining and highly exaggerated and embellished anecdotes of their troubles. I find it highly annoying and immature of those who do it, and just as it is their right to complain, I have a right to respond with mockery in similar measure. At least I'm very aware that I'm wasting my time on these boards and not trying to push some narrow opinion.

From what I noticed this specific section Open Arena/Multiplayer isn't a Development section (DEV) it's a public section for players to discuss Open Arena multiplayer which IS Open Arena private servers and such. And I'm sorry but I can't really find where it says that this forum is a Developers only forum, and if it was I wouldn't be allowed to have account or post if I wasn't a developer.
I'm a game developer and I've been on couple of development forums, they don't show me development sections until I get a developer rank on the forum.. or the development forums are "view only" for non-developers.

Pointing out a issue about a server is not pointless, and it's not pointing out the issue for Developers but for the server owners !!

And after all that, why does this concern you ? If we did post a complaint on a dev forum directed to devs and not the server owners, why is it your problem ? You aren't a dev and frankly you seem to be on this forum just to flame people and act like an angry teenager. And if you find a post as a waste of time, don't read it, let alone reply to it, common sense ?


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: Jewjitsu on June 26, 2013, 05:21:00 am
Angry? Me? Listen to yourself.


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: Color on June 26, 2013, 05:25:07 am
Angry? Me? Listen to yourself.

I'm replying to you in a polite way, not showing any hard feelings.. Because there is none, I don't see a point in getting hard feelings over a game.

But on the other side there's you, calling me a liar and flaming me, editing a quote just to attempt to insult me.

Just proves how delusional you are.


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: Jewjitsu on June 26, 2013, 07:01:33 am
Are you calling me a liar? I should sue you for libel.


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: Gig on June 26, 2013, 07:37:33 am
Guys, please stop flaming each other. Stop.
I fear Fromhell may lock this thread.


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: Color on June 26, 2013, 07:57:50 am
Are you calling me a liar? I should sue you for libel.

I'm sorry if you don't see why I'm insulted with you calling me a liar, I put time and effort to point out a problem this server has so the owner could do something about it, I was trying to help out (you can say I was harsh but it was just my method to make the problem more evident), and you are completely denying it with no basis, for what ? Just to start a forum flame war ?

You have no evidence to back up your judgement that I'm lying, and yet you are so strongly holding on to it.

After all even if I was lying or exaggerating, my examples aren't impossible to happen and are actually likely to happen. Your judgement is irrelevant, you need to stop posting and discouraging a change..

@Gig I'm not flaming anyone.


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: Gig on June 26, 2013, 08:08:25 am
An admin of that server read this thread and wrote his own point of view three days ago: http://openarena.ws/board/index.php?topic=4598.msg47478#msg47478

I don't know if that admin read later posts.... however having two players continuing arguing here who's a liar and who's not sounds pointless, and unlikely the server will change something when we will have discovered "who is offending who".

Please, make peace and not war... or just go fragging!  ;D


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: Color on June 26, 2013, 08:21:10 am
An admin of that server read this thread and wrote his own point of view three days ago: http://openarena.ws/board/index.php?topic=4598.msg47478#msg47478

I don't know if that admin read later posts.... however having two players continuing arguing here who's a liar and who's not sounds pointless, and unlikely the server will change something when we will have discovered "who is offending who".

Please, make peace and not war... or just go fragging!  ;D

I have read his post and I agree with him on everything,
but thing is the troll players can be slightly limited, they can lose a toy - suicide to prevent a kill can be fixed !

On most of the servers I played when you hit somebody and he /kills himself or falls in a pit, you'll get the kill since you did spend ammo on him and put him in the situation to suicide/fall off (it even says ">name< was given a small push by Color!". On the CTF and TDM servers it's not as important as on a DM server, so I'm surprised this doesn't work on Ciggaweed !

You said that the server is using 0.8.1 version and not 0.8.5 (where that problem was fixed), so I would suggest updating the server and limiting the trolls somewhat ! :)

I'm hoping he read the later posts and will read this one, I've seen him online few times.


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: EvilDrBrain on June 26, 2013, 03:57:41 pm
This has been the most amusing discussion in a while – of course I’ve been reading it ;)

Color, you’re not wrong to recommend updating the server…however, Marquis has repeatedly expressed a reluctance to do so, naming the server’s lengthy uptime (it’s been running with very few interruptions for years now) and his desire to avoid (for now) any unknowns brought about by an update as his main reasons. Also, as Color noted, most players on Ciggaweed are happy with the server as is.

Personally, I hate award pushing. It’s sorta like bowling with the bumpers raised (after all, why bother fragging people if you can simply knock them off an edge to earn a point?). However, if there are enough players like Color and Jakash3 who are having problems scoring frags otherwise, then maybe enabling it should be considered. I’ll mention it to Marq and ask around on Cigga to see what the general consensus is.

Thanks for the suggestion! And thanks Gig for being a good referee!


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: Color on June 26, 2013, 04:47:54 pm
I don't have a problem scoring without pushing people, I have came out 1st most (80+% maybe) of times I played on Ciggaweed (or I was close to first with less time than everyone else)

My only problem is I air rocket somebody he falls off and I don't get a frag, jumping from rail platform on Wrackdm makes you invulnerable since if you are hit you will fall in the pit and the enemy won't get a kill, and while you are jumping you have rail on and can take half of anybodies hp, while they can't do anything to you..

Waste of ammo and health aiming at anyone who has the possibility to fall off, or run off.


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: EvilDrBrain on June 26, 2013, 08:16:13 pm
Quote from: Color
I don't have a problem scoring without pushing people

Not entirely what I meant, though that does seem to be the source of this whole trouble, no? That is, certain players are upset because they are not picking up frags that they could otherwise score with award pushing enabled.

There's an eminently simpler solution to this problem, and it involves doing a little bit of thinking while you play. In the example you used (i.e., on wrackdm17), it is not impossible to frag someone in mid-flight from the rail platform to the main area. In fact, it's pretty easy: machine gun the target before you air rocket (or rail) it. Whittling down HP is, after all, the main purpose of the Machine Gun. Sure, award pushing would save you a step in this instance, but it's not the only possibility of scoring a point in such a situation. And if that doesn't work and the opponent still falls to his/her death, then accept the lost ammo, be proud of your shot anyway, and MOVE ON (http://i.imgur.com/MLiQK19.jpg).


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: Jewjitsu on June 26, 2013, 10:28:00 pm
Hi drbrain!  ;D

I haven't heard much in the suggestions about solutions to these so-called problems with ciggaweed. It seems one person would prefer that the server be updated to 0.8.5 or later and enable award pushing. The problem with a single unhappy player trying to impose his will on everyone is that he doesn't understand why so many people prefer to play there. For instance, if you take away the ability for campers to camp, or lamers to be lame, then you will make it another boring ultra competitive server that no one wants to play on (OA has over 50 servers that never have a single player on them already).

So continue to exaggerate, you haters of ciggaweed, continue to make up stories and complain, you'll just never understand why it's fun and enjoyable. Here's a hint: video games are meant to be FUN. I'm done.


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: fromhell on June 26, 2013, 11:44:41 pm
It does make me wonder why I even bother pushing out new versions anymore if no one is going to play them.


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: Jewjitsu on June 26, 2013, 11:58:05 pm
People certainly play the newer versions, but there will always be die-hards who like the style of the older version. My main issue with the newer versions are the "enhanced" maps. But i DO like using r_intensity on powerup whores on ciggaweed. Sure it may not be fair but not everyone wants a completely fair giggle-free experience. Aside from that, I think the new version changes were largely positive, but ciggaweed should hardly be considered a serious competitive server, which is where I think the strength of the newer versions (and aftershock) really shine.


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: Gig on June 27, 2013, 12:15:57 am
My only problem is I air rocket somebody he falls off and I don't get a frag, jumping from rail platform on Wrackdm makes you invulnerable since if you are hit you will fall in the pit and the enemy won't get a kill, and while you are jumping you have rail on and can take half of anybodies hp, while they can't do anything to you..

Well, I would not call it being "invulnerable". If you fall in the void, you lose a point!
By the way, the attacker may use other strategies, like switching to machinegun just after firing the rocket, and trying finishing you with it before you reach the instant-death point... or let you complete the jump, but having an exploding rocket waiting for you on the ground where you will land.


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: Jewjitsu on June 27, 2013, 03:49:58 am
Gig: Haven't you figured it out? He's just flaming the server and has no cause to do so without bending the truth. He's not exactly an "air-rocket" capable player and another ciggaweed admin (a trustworthy fellow) has told me he spent an entire game flaming and complaining after being legitimately fragged a few times (and he wasn't even kicked for flaming an admin). But I'd like to pay as little attention to that matter, especially when fromhell has graced us with a comment I'd like to debate. Namely why some players prefer 081 over 088. Perhaps we could start a topic about that and leave the low-brow banter here?

The upcoming discussion has the potential to be thought provoking and insightful, unlike this thread. So that is where you'll find me instead.


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: Color on June 27, 2013, 07:45:25 am
EvilDrBrain, if there is still a chance that he falls off even with me adding more effort to killing him (switching weapon etc) it's even a bigger award for him and a bigger minus for me.

And the trolls who intentionally jump off are being totally ignored by all of you.

It's award pushing against kill denying - for award push you need at least some skill, for kill denying, none.

Not to mention that I could go on the server with bind /kill and suicide every time I get a good chunk of health taken, wouldn't that be fun trolling ? OH sorry if I just gave Jewjitsu a good idea.  :-X

@Jewjitsu, I didn't make this topic therefor I'm not the only one. As for flaming an admin and all that, I'm obviously not a flamer.. Oops there goes you trustworthy-ness ? Few months ago I was arguing with campers on ROFL All rockets, then I noticed it's pointless.. If I don't like the game I'm playing there's no need to stay there, I'm playing to have fun, to be active, take risks, when I see a really good player who is camping I just get annoyed since it's ruining the whole idea of CTF. So if I get annoyed with people killing themselves to prevent me from killing, I leave. Your trustworthy friend had no chance to see me flaming, I was gone.
But if you are gonna talk about my behavior on servers, yesterday I went on superCTF, and 3 guys there asked me if I'm Color from the forum, when I said yes they told me not to pay attention to you because you are a well known troll. And what they said, unlike what your "trustworthy friend" said, is true, because you proved it on this topic !

I'm sorry that I pointed out my opinion, and suggested a update, I was wrong, I didn't put in consideration that there should be one trollfest server to keep the trolls away from the rest of servers. Thank you Ciggaweed !

As for me not being an air rocket capable guy, I'm always 1st in ROFL All rockets, and I have more flag captures than defense kills ! Haha
I'm actually collecting video footage of my air rockets and I'll put them in a video ! ^^
On AS Clanarena server, supeR_Gargoyle hates me for my rockets :D

Best regards, Color !


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: Gig on June 27, 2013, 07:59:00 am
Not to mention that I could go on the server with bind /kill and suicide every time I get a good chunk of health taken, wouldn't that be fun trolling ?
Considering that using /kill gives you "-1" score, you would probably end up last in placement. A normal user would not do that. A troll may do that, however other players may "callvote kick" him or an admin may ban him. No need to further talk about this stuff, IMHO.


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: Jewjitsu on June 27, 2013, 10:41:55 am
Actually, Color is absolutely right. I perfected the art of humorous killbinding. But one freak game I managed to win anyway while killbinding every time a good chunk of health was taken (I even used timing so precise that rails would pass through me as I died). DrBrain can validate that this is an authentic screenie. http://imageshack.us/a/img145/8819/shot0010g.jpg

I managed to not get banned by reciting gothic poetry and displaying "Emo killed himself" when I suicided and passed out razors to everyone who managed to frag me, and the GOLDEN razor to those who managed to gauntlet me. It became its own sub-game and some true emo-fragging pros emerged (such as dots and drbrain sheesh I hate those guys).

Color, I think nobody cares about frag denial because THEY LOSE A POINT FOR DOING IT. But my antics have spawned some annoying copycat behavior that people have been kicked over. If I had it to do over again... I would, come to think of it why did I ever stop? Thanks for reminding me Color, I'll start laming the servers up again. You have inspired me.  >:D


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: Gig on June 27, 2013, 12:09:56 pm
Just a random thing that suddently hit my mind:

can I suggest a way to play without this deny-killing problem? Play on some insta-gib server (corkscrew mod for example). One hit = one kill. People may thoretically still suicide, but they cannot rely on the low health calculation...


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: Color on June 27, 2013, 01:25:59 pm
I didn't say you do it I just said I gave you a idea to start doing it, yet another tool for your trolling tools set.

But lets look at the pro's and con's ?

Award pushing:
Cons:
- Awards a push.
Pros:
- Requires skill.
- Can not be abused.
- Awards you for the ammo you spent.
- Awards you for the health you lost.

Kill Deny:
Cons:
- Wastes your ammo.
- Wastes your health.
- Chance to deny a skill shot.
- Can be abused.
- Requires no skill.
- Tool for trolls.
Pros:
- Disables award pushing.
- One who does it loses a kill.


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: EvilDrBrain on June 27, 2013, 01:51:37 pm
Quote from: Color
I didn't say you do it I just said I gave you a idea to start doing it, yet another tool for your trolling tools set.

He just admitted that he's done it before...

Bottom line? If you don't like a server, then don't play on it. No one's twisting your arm to make you play there.


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: Jewjitsu on June 27, 2013, 03:41:29 pm
Sure, you gave me the idea. Even though that screenshot was dated back on January 1, 2013. Over 6 months ago. But then I guess you invented the internet too. :)


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: Color on June 27, 2013, 04:05:36 pm
Sure, you gave me the idea. Even though that screenshot was dated back on January 1, 2013. Over 6 months ago. But then I guess you invented the internet too. :)
nah I just thought you were mocking again, didn't even look at the screenshot  :D


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: Jewjitsu on June 27, 2013, 04:57:03 pm
That's quite okay color, and I will be sure to keep on the lookout for Global Warming Climate Change and ManBearPig for you too.  O0


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: Jakash3 on July 07, 2013, 12:03:10 am
I give up on openarena


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: Gig on July 07, 2013, 11:24:55 am
As expected, he ended LAST. Unless he did the slef-kill thing only when attacked by specific players, he probably had not changed the final classification so much.

However, I suppose server admins should consider to enable callvote kick...


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: zeroth on July 15, 2013, 05:12:37 pm
Just played ciggaweed and Jackash (C++) was on the server. After all the complaints. I would have assumed that anyone who scored 35 to second place's 10 would turn down their handicap. But no. It's all about arrogance, isn't it? If I don't win the map, someone must have cheated, or suicided! ::)

I really wonder where this petty arrogance comes from. :-\

@Jackash: Do you think that being better at OA makes you a better person? Do you have anything better to do? Do you know calculus? Biochemistry? Economics?

I'll admit this may sound harsh, but I wasn't the one complaining. I play this game for fun, not glory. (And what glory will one achieve playing a free, open source game?)

As has been stated before, if you want glory, join a clan, wear their clan tag, and deal with the repercussions of slaughtering n00bs. Last time I checked, it's major-league frowned upon.

Which brings up a possibly new thread topic: Stat Tracking. When I played UT2K4, before migrating to OpenSource, there was a detriment to playing on a map with n00bs. Killing them had no positive benefit to your ranking, and being fragged by one had a huge downside.

Once again, I resort to my default response: WHATEVER!

I will continue to play, all the arrogance be damned.


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: Jakash3 on July 15, 2013, 06:28:04 pm
I give up on openarena


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: zeroth on July 15, 2013, 07:03:13 pm
@Jakash3: Allright, I'll leave it be. In fact, having people, like you, that are that much better than me, gives me something to strive for. You are NOT the bad guy. You are a very good player.

I totally understand the limitation of not having server selection to choose from. I have a similar issue. ciggaweed is the only FFA server that consistently has more than 1 or 2 players. I guess I took offence to it being "bad-mouthed".

One thing you can be sure of: if you are puttin' it to me, and I go off an edge, it is never by design. I don't suicide for no one! :)

I do realize that it is not feasible for one player to use a handicap when they cannot account for who will log in/log out.

On the handicap issue: I have noticed that some players, after "dominating" a map, or two, will switch to ONLY using the gauntlet. (I've even begun experimenting with this tactic on small, crowded maps) They rarely win after the switch, but some of them rank quite high. I'm not saying you should do this, but based on what I've seen, when you win a map by 35-10 it might be worth considering as a semi-handicap.

I apologize for any bad blood I may have spilled. I did feel compelled to defend the only server I play on!

I look forward to seeing you next time... Frag on.


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: Jakash3 on July 19, 2013, 07:27:33 pm
I give up on openarena


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: Jakash3 on July 19, 2013, 11:36:48 pm
I give up on openarena


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: zeroth on July 20, 2013, 12:35:16 pm
"The evidence before the court is incontrovertible, there's no need for the jury to retire." --- Pink Floyd, "The Trial", The Wall, 1979.

Can't even claim that someone walked away from their keyboard while logged in, as I've noticed before. I always have a micro-conscience moment about fragging the uncontrolled bait.

But to see Looney Tune actively chatting while his score is -166. That's despicable! (Add in Mel Blanc sound effect here)

Secondary evidence is Tickle Me Elmo: you can't hit the "Ready" button if you're not at your keyboard.

Though the first screen has you as Spectator. Did you drop out? Or, are these players doing it to others?

I don't know what to say, Jackash3, AFAIK ciggaweed is a pretty loose server. As in, not overly controlled. You could try to contact MarquisDeSade, I think he's the admin. Another option would be to play under a totally different handle, though I've actually been on ciggaweed when someone asked, "Where's C++"; don't know if that was meant in a good or bad way.

My professional opinion (HA!) is that you've made some enemies, who now use childish tactics to disrupt your game. Best advice I've got: Rise above it, and Frag On...


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: ... on July 20, 2013, 01:33:26 pm
What those screenshots tell me is that everyone has fun in OA their own way. For some fun is reaching 35 the quickest and for some it's just goofing around. That's the exact type of server ciggaweed is player wise. Such as the screenshot I'm in with -6. I was just running around with gaunt and falling off.


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: zeroth on July 20, 2013, 03:32:44 pm
Yeah, there's a lot of "bizarre" play at times on ciggaweed. And yes, dots, it is apparent that you play for fun! So do I, that's why I take such pleasure from nailing you when you hide in the crevices with the gauntlet, trying to frag players coming out of the teleporter. And the fact that you, normally, you are SO much better than me, gives it a special aroma.


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: Jewjitsu on July 21, 2013, 08:15:13 pm
Here's one for the oa police

(http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/2689/0ykv.jpg)

it's actually my signature on most boards


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: zeroth on July 22, 2013, 05:28:15 pm
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: zeroth on July 24, 2013, 01:07:09 am
I have 0 tolerance for whiny crap. Jackash3 (aka C++) , stop coming onto the forum expecting sympathy.

You are are an arrogant, dirty player. Every time you try to complain about what someone else did, I will be there to remind the world of what a dirtbag you actually are.

I WILL BE THERE>

YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. The solution is for you to realize what a sorry excuse for a human you are!

Do you think that fraggin" me has any effect? Quite the contrary. Since you are , technically, a better player than me, every time I frag YOU is so much more sweet. When you come on the forum and whine about how you didn't win a map, it makes you sound like a diaper-wearin' toddler. Grow the F up.


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: zeroth on July 24, 2013, 01:38:01 am
C++ is a dirtbag cheater. Don't know how he did it, but he had four versions of himself on the map at the same time. If someone knows how to contact the admin of ciggaweed, please let me know. C++ comes on this forum and whines about other people, while he's just a dirtbag cheater all along. Wonder if he's using aimbots. That would explain his score. That would be so low. Crying about other players, while cheating.


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: Jewjitsu on July 24, 2013, 03:26:34 am
I hope you're just trolling there, but no it irritates him when people whore his name so the peanut gallery does it. And while I agree with you on your prior post for the most part, I have to point out that he doesn't cheat. But that screencap I posted is authentic. Let's be fair, to assume he's botting is pretty much in the same league as what you've (rightly) denounced him for.


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: Jakash3 on July 24, 2013, 03:28:16 am
I give up on openarena


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: Jewjitsu on July 24, 2013, 04:32:07 am
hahaha Wow very nice tower!!!! Good thing I wasnt there though, I'd have shot the guy on the bottom.


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: Akom74 on July 24, 2013, 08:38:30 am
In my defense, nobody was really fragging at the time. We were having fun doing this:
(http://i.imgur.com/igXBhqvl.jpg)
I had 4 or 5 instances of oa running to make the tower taller.

LOL !!!

 ;D ;D


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: Neon_Knight on July 24, 2013, 10:30:18 am
LOL, that map, those teleporters, my first contribution ever to OA. Seeing that screenshot and those from later versions of the map makes me proud of how much OA advanced since then.


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: Gig on July 25, 2013, 02:22:54 am
Don't know how he did it, but he had four versions of himself on the map at the same time.
Screenshot he posted explains that. Maybe you have been too precipitous giving a verdict?


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: Jakash3 on July 29, 2013, 09:34:52 pm
I give up on openarena


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: Jewjitsu on August 04, 2013, 02:56:29 am
in the very first scene of that vid.. "Piss Drinker" suicided to prevent you from spawn fragging him. And yeah after a while people come to dislike your attitude and cheapness then they constantly do it because it clearly angers you. This never happens to me, even though I killbind notoriously. Just get a friend to team troll with you, if you have one.


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: Wiiyamoto on August 15, 2013, 02:22:17 pm
 O0  


Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: KittenOfFury on August 17, 2013, 11:44:04 pm
As a regular ciggaweed player, I'll add my thoughts to this.

The only time I've seen people intentionally jump off the platforms in a space map is when they were screwing around. The screenshots posted demonstrate that. One doesn't suicide 160+ times in an 11 minute match just to avoid getting fragged. I've even seen people compete to try to get the lowest score that way at times. When they do this, they may try to avoid getting fragged as well, (since they don't lose a point when they get fragged), but that is a secondary purpose. If someone is trying to suicide just to avoid getting fragged (whether by a particular player or just anyone), they'll just use the kill bind. It's well known how to do it and pretty much everyone in cigga already knows it.

As far as award pushing goes, I'm slightly against it just because one of the most fun parts about the game for me is killing someone after they've fallen but before they die, (using instahit weapons).

Regarding deliberately suiciding using killbinds, as Jewjitsu pointed out this is often done as a reply to cheap gaming tactics such as spawn-fragging. It can also be done in response to a player cursing at and insulting everyone all the time; that's why people always do it to you C++. If you only had the sense to vent your frustrations by shouting your hate-filled profanity laced diatribes out loud instead of typing them out, think how much rarer people would suicide on you. When votes are called to restart a map that you're about to win, think how often a couple less people would have click their vote yes button and the vote wouldn't pass. In close games, think about how many times people wouldn't have been deliberately handing frags to your opponent. In short, there may be a link between your behavior and people's response to you.



Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: fasna on May 14, 2014, 11:35:47 pm
Jewjitsu who pointed out this using suiciding, the killbinds intentionally for is done as a response to such cheap tactics game spawn fragging often . Why it will do it in C + + of you people always even will be able to correspond to the time all players ; human insulting and cursing . Rare people who think instead of typing them in a loud voice only , and if you have any sense of divergence your frustration by cries of diatribe that has been tightened blasphemy string filled hate the suicide of you how much . Of the voting are they called you for that vote , and when you restart the map and click people a couple of frequency below how I think to win a ] have the button Yes will not pass . To kill opponents with a grenade debris that came to pass deliberately How about the many times people would think the game nearby. In a nutshell , there is a possibility that there is a link between the response of people to you and your actions .



Title: Re: i hate ciggaweed!
Post by: lister on July 15, 2015, 04:47:23 pm
I think ciggaweed dm has a great crowd, but if you are not satisfied with ciggaweed for any reason, you are always welcome at hightime vanilla ffa  :giggity: