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Title: Smoke Emitter
Post by: Akom74 on February 27, 2016, 03:39:35 am
Hi at all OA users !! :)

I need your help to find something that seems an OA original effect.

Here a screenshot of oa_shouse:

(http://i.imgur.com/MKXXYWL.jpg)

I've searched in all OA pk3 but i haven't found the appropriate script (and the texture...)

I've downloaded the source .map file but it doesent help me.... :(

Can anyone tell me where to find the script and the texture of that "Smoke Emitter" ?

Maybe i've not searched in the right folder, but i don't know how to find this smoke stuff...  xD

;)


Title: Re: Smoke Emitter
Post by: Gig on February 27, 2016, 04:21:44 am
I will not be able to open the .map in an OA-enabled NetRadiant editor before Monday...

However, I see that, other than the .map
http://openarena.ws/svn/source/assets/maps/oa_shouse.map
in the svn there is also a .ent file for oa_shouse
http://openarena.ws/svn/source/assets/maps/oa_shouse.ent

So it looks like "entities only editing" ((DO NOT LINK) h t t p s : / / openarena . wikia . com/wiki/Entities-only_editing) has been used there... something which I'm not used to work with...


Title: Re: Smoke Emitter
Post by: Akom74 on February 27, 2016, 06:11:22 am
I will not be able to open the .map in an OA-enabled NetRadiant editor before Monday...

However, I see that, other than the .map
http://openarena.ws/svn/source/assets/maps/oa_shouse.map
in the svn there is also a .ent file for oa_shouse
http://openarena.ws/svn/source/assets/maps/oa_shouse.ent

So it looks like "entities only editing" ((DO NOT LINK) h t t p s : / / openarena . wikia . com/wiki/Entities-only_editing) has been used there... something which I'm not used to work with...

Thanks Gig.

About the .ent file, don't know what to tell. In the editor the smokers (?) appear as a normal brush with the smoke texture on it. For what i know it can have a script (don't know where) to work like it work.

However, i don't need exactly that script, but a similar effect.

As all can see from the original map, there's the smoke (puff) like a column with a sort of fading effect at the top. That is the effect i'm searching for. If it's an OA original, is better. :)

;)


Title: Re: Smoke Emitter
Post by: Neon_Knight on February 27, 2016, 07:00:31 am
It's not an entity, there's no entity for smoke creation. It's a shader.


Title: Re: Smoke Emitter
Post by: Akom74 on February 27, 2016, 07:02:34 am
It's not an entity, there's no entity for smoke creation. It's a shader.

Me too think so.

Did you know what shader is ? Do you know the name ?

I'm not able to find it in OA folders, or maybe i don't know what shader to search.... xD

;)


Title: Re: Smoke Emitter
Post by: fromhell on February 27, 2016, 09:17:40 am
mc-sm19-amphetamine/smoke_1
mc-sm19-amphetamine/smoke_2
etc.......
mc-sm19-amphetamine/smoke_25
mc-sm19-amphetamine/smoke_26


Place common/nodraw brushes with one face being that and you'll get it


Title: Re: Smoke Emitter
Post by: Akom74 on February 27, 2016, 10:17:50 am
mc-sm19-amphetamine/smoke_1
mc-sm19-amphetamine/smoke_2
etc.......
mc-sm19-amphetamine/smoke_25
mc-sm19-amphetamine/smoke_26


Place common/nodraw brushes with one face being that and you'll get it

You're right, in the original .map file there's theese textures named as you write, but them are not in OA.
How do you think i can insert a textures that is not in a folder mc-sm19-amphetamine/ ?

I mean that's impossible to choose this texture from the editor.... :( :(

...i'm so sad...
.


Title: Re: Smoke Emitter
Post by: Gig on February 27, 2016, 01:47:32 pm
I can't check now, but I can guess they are shaders. You should check which .shader file contains them and then check it is in your shaderlist.txt.


Title: Re: Smoke Emitter
Post by: DILZNIK on February 28, 2016, 11:39:10 am
Flashing skies giving a storm effect?


Title: Re: Smoke Emitter
Post by: Gig on February 29, 2016, 02:04:18 am
Flashing skies giving a storm effect?
Uh? What's the relationship with "smoke emitter" effect?  :-\

However, if you are searching for a such thing, I don't know exactly. Let me try to guess something...
- I can guess one may do some shader trickery to have the sky shader suddently show a brighter stage for an instant, and then hide it immediately, to mimic a flash. But of course that would not affect lightmap: only the sky would appear brighter, but all the rest of the map and the players would remain at the same lighting.
- Maybe it may be even be possible to place on one side of the skybox a slightly different shader, which would also include a ("clampmap"?) stage depicting a lightning?
- For the rain, I can guess you may do something like the snow in the "Sleep" map http://www.lvlworld.com/review/id:879 - I think they placed a lot of brushes with the snow shader (I can guess they were "nodraw" brushes with the snow shader on one side - just a guessing).
- For the rain sound, I suppose target_speaker entities should work.
- For lightning bolt sounds, I don't know if it will be possible to somehow "sync" the sound with the sky shader. Maybe it's easy (just altering sound duration or flash stage properties), maybe it's impossible (maybe shaders do reset their position at each vid_restart while sounds no, so causing out-of-sync)... I haven't tried. Maybe one may even make the "flash" appear as extremely fast moving brush which is usually out from the sky and then suddently enters inside the sky, activated by some kind of trigger which would also activate the target_speaker at the same time... Just guessing.

PS: Maybe this thing about "light styles" for fake dynamic light may be of some kind of use: (DO NOT LINK) h t t p s : / / openarena . wikia . com/wiki/Mapping_manual/Advanced_lighting#Light_styles
PPS: Different from what you are looking for, but very suggestive, in case you don't know it... "Estatica" map: http://lvlworld.com/review/id:1555 (different because time is frozen there)

Bye!


Title: Re: Smoke Emitter
Post by: Gig on February 29, 2016, 02:13:16 am
How do you think i can insert a textures that is not in a folder mc-sm19-amphetamine/ ?

They are shaders you can find in "pak0.pk3": \scripts\mc-oa.shader
So, be sure you have mc-oa listed in your shaderlist.txt, and that your Q3Radiant has got "show shaders" enabled in "Textures" menu.


Title: Re: Smoke Emitter
Post by: Akom74 on February 29, 2016, 04:39:08 am
How do you think i can insert a textures that is not in a folder mc-sm19-amphetamine/ ?

They are shaders you can find in "pak0.pk3": \scripts\mc-oa.shader
So, be sure you have mc-oa listed in your shaderlist.txt, and that your Q3Radiant has got "show shaders" enabled in "Textures" menu.

Ah, ok. Thank you. I've missed that thing  xD

With a couple of changes it works !! :) :)

;)


Title: Re: Smoke Emitter
Post by: DILZNIK on February 29, 2016, 07:24:21 am
Flashing skies giving a storm effect?
Uh? What's the relationship with "smoke emitter" effect?  :-\

@Gig Maybe adding a quote to my first post would have made perfect sense then. I was responding to the first post by Akom74

I need your help to find something that seems an OA original effect.

For a OA original effect I thought mentioning a storm like effect for the skies would separate OA from a Quake original effects.


Title: Re: Smoke Emitter
Post by: Akom74 on February 29, 2016, 07:35:40 am
@DILZNIK: No, i dont need a storm effect in the sky (not now   ;)  ) i'm just searching for the smoke effect, and i've found it ! :) :)

;)


Title: Re: Smoke Emitter
Post by: Gig on February 29, 2016, 08:18:49 am
I need your help to find something that seems an OA original effect.

For a OA original effect I thought mentioning a storm like effect for the skies would separate OA from a Quake original effects.

Oh. Then I did all those thoughts about how to do a storm effect absolutely for nothing....  xD By the way, did you mention it because you know some map for OA showing a such thing, then?

However, Akom was searching for that specific smoke effect, not for any effect which is on OA and not in Q3...  ;)


Title: Re: Smoke Emitter
Post by: Akom74 on March 01, 2016, 04:14:44 pm
Ok, i think i've figured out how it work, but not completely.

(http://i.imgur.com/Ih2UnYo.jpg)

I need to do some try to have the effect i want....  xD

 ;)


Title: Re: Smoke Emitter
Post by: Gig on March 04, 2016, 04:32:07 am
OOOOhhhh...
I'm curious to try the map...


Title: Re: Smoke Emitter
Post by: Akom74 on March 04, 2016, 11:42:51 am
OOOOhhhh...
I'm curious to try the map...

It's just a room to try some stuff.... xD

;)