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Long story short: I'm putting my hands on oasago2. After a lot of fiddling with lighting, I've decided that a daylight setting may be a better choice for the map. Problem is, there are many cool skies and I couldn't decide which one should go. So I'm leaving this decision on your hands.


Just for the record, here's the full rundown on my version of oasago2 (TBR soon...)

- Switched back to 0.8.5 weapon/item placement. (The Railgun is back where it belonged)
- Added OA banners in order to stifle camping.
- Added Double Domination-specific spawnrooms. (Tests may be needed to run on other gametypes)
- Heavily simplified geometry, should help boost the FPS count.
- Removed most of the torches, as the map takes place in daylight, they may not be needed, except in places where its placement makes sense (the room near the flag base, for example).

There was a tenth choice, but got left out. I'm sure you'll see why:

I voted for the skies/industrysky. That is entirely based on the screen shots. I like maps with lots of natural lights.

I don't know if the banners are a good idea. I could be wrong. It is just a gut feeling.

As mentioned on Discord: I'm not a fan of spawn rooms but I do agree that the middle part of oasago2 is not big enough for Double Domination without them.

Given the slate-ish stone texturing i'd probably think about a dusk skybox or skyroom with a blue/orange tone. i'll probably whip something up soon

I'm not sure about which one to vote...
skies/terrain1 and nki_shaders/tropicalsky seem nice enough...

I also prefer the lighting in the industrysky version.  Tropicalsky has too much shadow in the main playing area.  Sundownsky is not bad but too dark imho.  The other skies introduce unnatural colors on the castle bricks which I think doesn't look good.

There will be versions for industrysky, ctf6sky and sundownsky today, then.

Aaaaaaand, here it is! Three test maps.

Screenshots coming soon.

How to test:

• Download from this link: https://www.dropbox.com/s/bnxt8uktkw1wewk/z_oac_sago2-a1.pk3?dl=0
• Run the map from the console or the menu.
• There are three versions, which only differ on the used sky: oac_sago2-is (industrysky), oac_sago2-ctf6 (ctf6sky) and oac_sago2-sd (sundownsky).
  

• If you don't know from where to start other feedback, read this post: http://openarena.ws/board/index.php?topic=5300.msg55163#msg55163

Additional changelog to the first post:

• Botclip! Test botplay, please!

Known issues:

• No levelshot.
• The arrows need fixing.

New link, a quickfix.

Download link: https://www.dropbox.com/s/o9j5jyyqk53i5dh/z_oac_sago2-a1v2.pk3?dl=0

• sundownsky version scrapped.
• Fixed issue where bots would not move in the spawnrooms.
• Added levelshots.

Screenshots!

ctf6sky
(https://i.imgur.com/2jKIhNAl.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/dvIbpLNl.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/TE2E0tvl.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/nAlpc0bl.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/8SAFU4Cl.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/5HGfd0el.jpg)

industrysky
(https://i.imgur.com/PcKwPQHl.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/MhLEQsLl.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/hPCK7xwl.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Z3innYnl.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/mTgCNysl.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/WedSC1yl.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/qybSLl5l.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/M4VtM6Cl.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Wh9QEPNl.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Moe7AIml.jpg)

New version. Not much changes from the original, except that a pesky bug has been fixed! Yay! Also due to the dislike of the spawnrooms, they're now limited to DD.
Only two versions this time, I'm inclined to keep the industrysky version as definitive, however ctf6sky version has become quite popular, it seems. So there's a pk3 with both versions for testing.
I'm happy that this version is running at a constant 125fps, but some other people may have problems with this. So please, test. :)

How to test:

• Download from this link: https://www.dropbox.com/s/80uh6da3k2onhu2/z_oac_sago2-a2.pk3?dl=0
• Run the map from the console or the menu.
• There are two versions, which only differ on the used sky: oac_sago2-is (industrysky) and oac_sago2-ctf6 (ctf6sky).
• If you don't know from where to start other feedback, read this post: http://openarena.ws/board/index.php?topic=5300.msg55163#msg55163

Changelog:

• A pair of rogue brushes which were causing problems with compilation was located and dealt with.
• Spawnrooms limited to Double Domination.
• Botplay improvements.
• Other, smaller changes.

Known issues:

• Those. Damn. Arrows.

It looks like AAS file is outdated, I cannot add bots...

PS: Is it just me, or the torches are pitch black?

Quick update.

How to test:

• Download from this link: https://www.dropbox.com/s/cp5jzine4qhj6us/z_oac_sago2-a2v2.pk3?dl=0
• Run the map from the console or the menu.
• There are two versions, which only differ on the used sky: oac_sago2-is (industrysky) and oac_sago2-ctf6 (ctf6sky).
• If you don't know from where to start other feedback, read this post: http://openarena.ws/board/index.php?topic=5300.msg55163#msg55163

Additional changelog:

• Botplay recompiled. It now doesn't report errors (admittedly, I'm using the most recent versions of the engine and gamecode).
• Compiled with final settings.

Known issues:

• Those. Damn. Arrows. One of these days...
• Pitch-black torches and some shadows that shouldn't be there.

I prefer "industrysky" over "ctf6sky".

I would ask you to remove the banners on bridge in the middle. I found them confusing and they reduced visibility.
On CTF maps 90% of fighting is near the flag and the middle is just a place you run through. It was very important to me that people rushing to the enemy base on oasago2 could not avoid seeing each other.

It is supposed to be dangerous to cross the middle. The map is designed for an extreme kill count.

I don't know about the bars across path in the bases either. I never heard anyone complain loudly about it.

The idea behind those banners was to allow people camping in the ledge, but not to make it dominant or overpowered, which was one of the main complaints in the earlier versions. The idea in 0.8.8 was changing the place of the Railgun with the Shotgun to avoid this, but in the end it was a change for the worse, so that change got reverted.

What about more ways to reach the railgun platform, so the camper will not be "safe"?
Or removing the health bonuses from there, so the camper will have to leave the platform when he will be low on health?

As this is a very important map for OA, I want to see what more people have to say before taking a decision.

I think you should respect and listen to the guy who created this map.

OK, banners will go out in the next version.

Also somebody told me that people still spawn in the spawnrooms outside of DD. Checking that as well.

I haven't played OA for ages, but all these banner supporting bridges... So many places for a flag bearer to rocketjump onto and lurk >:(

The classic map at least only had three gate frames per base to serve as flag hiding points.

And they not only break line of sight for campers, they break movement for crazy rocketjumpers who cross the map faster than you could say "ohshi--".

Is this an attempt to remove this map's dynamism and make it more noob-friendly?
I expect a sharp drop in popularity due to these new obstacles.

Uh? Aren't those flags incorporeal?

They are "incorporeal", indeed. They're just an obstacle for railcampers.

However they'll go in the next update.

Due to complaints here's an update for oac_sago2:

How to test:

• Download from this link: https://www.dropbox.com/s/zs82ckko8wbpf4w/z_oac_sago2-a3.pk3?dl=0
• Run the map from the console or the menu.
• There are two versions, which only differ on the used sky: oac_sago2-is (industrysky) and oac_sago2-ctf6 (ctf6sky).
• If you don't know from where to start other feedback, read this post: http://openarena.ws/board/index.php?topic=5300.msg55163#msg55163

Changelog:

• Removed banners and their supports.
• Removed wrong CTF playerstarts on red DD spawnrooms.
• Removed the torches except those on the inner areas. May add more soon.
• Removed the ctf6sky version.
• Removed the arrows.
• Improved lighting in areas (some still require a rework, though).

Known issues:

• Lighting needs more work.