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« Reply #25 on: November 20, 2008, 10:32:06 AM »

Where's Tony? If a gangster doesn't fit into the storyline, than please make a skinny, old, crazy man, with a cylinder and tuxedo Smiley.

Edit: I see him on oa_minia, but his personal story is not there.
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« Reply #26 on: November 20, 2008, 10:44:30 AM »

Yes, Tony is on tier 1.
Maybe I will think on him the same think I though on Penguin: both have been chosen for mistake for the OAT, and now they're fighting for their lifes. Tongue
Or... maybe he works for a powerful weaponry organization, and he was chosen because some of his products are in use in the OAT, and he's trying them. Tongue
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« Reply #27 on: November 21, 2008, 03:35:25 AM »

Maybe Penguin and Tony could be used for comic relief?  (If there is a place for such thing)
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« Reply #28 on: November 21, 2008, 03:52:07 PM »

Comic relief? What do you mean for it?
(Seriously, I don't understand)

EDIT: I've found that the storyline I thought doesn't deserve the "Tournament" word in the title, because it isn't strictly a Tournament actually. :/ But I can't think on a better title for it (OpenArena Adventure? It sucks and doesn't matches with the game -.-; OpenArena Mission? It sucks too; I can't think on a title for it -.-)
Or maybe... according on what fromhell described in page 1 as giving a trophy, maybe those trophies can be parts of a major rune, something like Q1's runes which allows you to fight against Shub-Niggurath, and maybe three of them dispersed, one in an abandoned base, the other in some place in T1, the other in the Czest Space station, and the other three are in the same place where Tiers 4 to 7 have place, one for tier. Every boss you defeat gives you some piece of the entire rune. And when you combine the 6 runes, you are teleported to fight against the final boss.
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« Reply #29 on: November 21, 2008, 07:27:28 PM »

Comic relief? What do you mean for it?
(Seriously, I don't understand)

From the wikipedia article:
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Comic relief is the inclusion of a humorous character, scene or witty dialogue in an otherwise serious work
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« Reply #30 on: November 22, 2008, 08:47:32 AM »

I consider Penguin serious. He's a psychopath on a rampage for working in some chicken restaurant into his 30s.
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« Reply #31 on: November 26, 2008, 09:10:06 AM »

Well, there's a problem: arenas.txt and bots.txt shouldn't be > 8192 bytes in size because the game can't count/handle them, and this means I had to cut comments, but also there's the risk that not all maps in OA can be included, so my solution was to create two files: morearenas.arena and morebots.bot to include maps and bots which aren't on the SP. But... that means the maps in morearenas.arena and morebots.bot will be mixed with non-official ones, instead of being putted before the non-official ones.
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« Reply #32 on: November 26, 2008, 04:29:12 PM »

I'm nearly done with bot-editing so I'm into serious tier testing.
What I found so far: oa_dm3, czest1dm, dm6ish are too huge for just 2 bots. Minimum is 4.
I still dont feel well with CTF maps in singleplayer.
Fraglimit shall never exceed 30. Most maps go fine with 20-25. If it's more than 30 it's going to be a pain and it starts do be boring. As Q3 singleplayer had no timelimit I removed this from the arenas file too.

Bots will behave different and will be easier now.
I'm going to post a new singleplayer.pk3 when I finished this. I guess we need more testing later on. A mother-tongue English speaker should think about better chat comments for bots.
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« Reply #33 on: November 26, 2008, 09:18:42 PM »

Yes... I thought there was too high counts, specially on higher tiers. But there should be another way to differentiate tiers apart from maps. Tongue
I thought these 4 matches against Angelyss, Rai, Tanisha, Nekoyss and Dark could make T6 the "endurance tier". Tongue
But yes, these fraglimits are too much high. :/

Well, instead of dm6ish we can use the common oa_dm6. Which map you suggest to replace oa_dm3 and czest1dm?

And yes, I agree totally with the bot chat.

EDIT: I've added Tony's bio to the Bio list. What do you think about it? Tongue
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« Reply #34 on: November 28, 2008, 07:33:33 AM »

Tony's bio is fine. It has to be added to his chat file.

I don't have a suggestion for smaller ffa maps as shism is not available yet.

To break the principle: What about fighting in tier 5 / map 3 against the former 4 bosses before battling Arachna? Makes sense as Nekoyss, Sorceress, and BlackWidow can be foes in the two remaining maps of tier 5.
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« Reply #35 on: November 28, 2008, 11:43:30 AM »

Well, the idea with bosses, according to what I've pointed above, is that you fight against them, they give you a part of the big rune, and you continue to search the other parts, meaning the bosses will stay in their places.

Also, I've seen a concept of an Orbbish character, in the Wiki, which can fit in Tier 1, and can make Tony move on to T2, Assassin to T4, and Liz to T5 to replace Nekoyss there.

(An idiot hacked the wiki cussing Dash9, but I've reversed some of the changes.)
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« Reply #36 on: November 28, 2008, 11:45:49 AM »

That Orbbish character in the picture was actually modeled, textured and animated last year, but it was never committed. it should be noted that the fish is much much too similar to the copyrighted character from the anime Goldfish Warning!!!.

I think an evil octopus could be a better alternative
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« Reply #37 on: November 29, 2008, 03:17:48 PM »

pretty cool Wink

it would be good if we had cut scenes after every tier and since their are a LOT of maps around I think we can add a few more tiers(with more then 1 boss)

p.s I'm more then happy to write a full bio and story line for a character or 2 
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« Reply #38 on: November 29, 2008, 04:05:44 PM »

A more longer game isn't much a good idea. It means to make more characters to fit in it, and since arenas.txt and bots.txt has a maximum size of 8kb in order to be loaded, (so I don't know where new maps and bots can enter, since morearenas.arena and morebots.bot doesn't make maps/bots in those files appear before the non-official ones) I don't think I/we can make another tier for it. :/

Also, the story is already maded, there're few bots who need a bio, and some more to get improved ones.
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« Reply #39 on: December 03, 2008, 10:40:10 AM »

Test Release of new SP. (pk3 attached)
Many edited bots in there.

  • chat files need to be improved so far
  • often it's just one or two playermodel per tier (boring!)
  • testing is required
  • in my oppinion quality goes down in the course of play (progress of tiers)
  • especially last bossfight (not TiMaster) is boring as hell
  • CTF maps are no fun in FFA

Have fun. Smiley

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« Reply #40 on: December 03, 2008, 01:41:05 PM »

Well, OA itself hasn't so much models and skins to choose. Remember that some bots have been maded from skins of other models:
- Metalbot (Skelebot)
- Angela (Major)
- Dargoth (Gargoyle)
- Jenna (Ayumi, Jenna itself had a skin but it was retired)
- Soldier (Beret)
- BlackWide (Arachna)
- Empress (Sorceress)
- TiMaster (Who hasn't a skin/model, but I imagine him as being a male, bigger and oldie version of Kyonshi Tongue)

All of them can have a new model. Sadly, I lack of modelling skill.
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« Reply #41 on: December 03, 2008, 04:02:36 PM »

I just wanted to say that in most tiers there are two bots with the same model but different skin. It would have been better to mix it more so you have 4 different models each tier. eg putting Soldier in a different tier than Beret. Same goes for S_Marine, Jenna, Skelebot.

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« Reply #42 on: December 03, 2008, 04:06:21 PM »

Well... all was thought (or at least, tried) to match tier themes. I thought that campaign as a story itself, hence why I think "Tournament" was unnecesary in the title's campaign.
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« Reply #43 on: December 04, 2008, 03:17:11 AM »

Hey Armageddon_Man,

it matches fine and we've got an advantage on the performance side. Let's keep it the way it is for now. Maybe the next upcoming male playermodel could sample TiMaster (although a better name is needed).
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« Reply #44 on: December 04, 2008, 04:04:03 AM »

Yes... I begun to hate that name, but I don't want to call him "Nostradamus". Cheesy
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« Reply #45 on: December 04, 2008, 01:39:31 PM »

Some ideas:

Cosmogeddon
Timirugi
Stratus
Dorrovan
Ninmannus
Areler
Rulerena
Epikiller
Ultirena

I think the Cosmogeddon name must be used, even on a smaller character.
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« Reply #46 on: December 05, 2008, 05:51:53 AM »

Btw.. is TiMaster also a jiang-shi like Kyonshi? ...a chinese hopping corpse?
Or is he a necromancer?

I see him more as a necromancer, and then Kyonshi as the resurrected body of his past daughter/girlfriend. He couldn't stand seeing her die and he became insane.. he researched and discovered arcane old powers and secrets ..and then he managed to bring her back to life as an undead. But something was not so right... her girl had become a blood-sucking creature. But yet he celebrated it and his insanity grow even bigger. He finally turned into a crazy maniac, he kept researching and learning ancient knowledge that erased the last trace of humanity that he could have kept. As the centuries passed by, defying death, his mind and body got rotten. It's not clear if he's human anymore or probably something else....

In order to keep his control over death he needs to absorb the lifeforce from the souls of the violently killed ones. This is the reason why, once each 150 years when the stars are right, he brings the most powerful and lively fighters from every corner of the world to fight each other in a tournament until all of them die. He promises gold and power for the winner... but he has some servants to finish the work that won't let anyone win. The true hidden purpose of this tournament is to take away the young and strong spirit of the fighters, the most delicious souls.

Maybe call him.. Lord Liche ..or something like that
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« Reply #47 on: December 05, 2008, 06:51:25 AM »

Maybe looking something like this, with the gun instead of the stick. And with sharp stuff in the shoulders like this. Maybe with a crown made with the skull of a GNU with big horns Tongue (here a drawing of a necromancer with a skull on the head.. but that's covering his face)

The model could maybe have a skin for insane necromancer and a skin for shaman protector of nature.

Just for some ideas.
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« Reply #48 on: December 05, 2008, 06:54:03 AM »

agh.. sorry.... wrong button again -_-
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« Reply #49 on: December 05, 2008, 07:35:10 AM »

-_- ...... again
how can I delete this wrong messages?
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