pul4ctf - my diamond is rage

[pulchr]

i began work on this map for the noghost mapping contest but didn't have enough time to get it done before the deadline. there's still a lot to do both in bsp, textures and playtesting. but i think the map has potential and hopefully gets fun. it's a capture the flag map for at least four players on each team. the textures i'm creating for this one is more or less copies of those in the quake live map "siberia".

[Peter Silie]

Looks promising!
Will we get a testing copy soon?

[pulchr]

another image. nothing done for almost 2 months. but today it was fun to map a little. hopefully i can find some more time ahead.

peter silie: unfortunately i think it'll take some time before it is ready for testing.

[Peter Silie]

Can't wait to install it here...
Hurry up, pulchr!

[PopeJo]

I see evil stairs

looks nice. will definitely help testing gameplay on it! gogogo!

[pulchr]

popejo : how do you mean evil stairs?

[Proti]

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I agree it looks nice and promising. Can't wait to try it.

[PopeJo]

popejo : how do you mean evil stairs?

well, stairs slow everything down. in defrag, some people bind +jump to the mousewheel and when you hit a stair you spin it like mad, in order to cross stairs without loosing too much speed.
so stairs can tacticaly be used to slow incommers down (like on mlctf1beta). besides that, they are often a bit annoying ihmo.

[schlorri]

This map looks awesome like every pulchr map
Go on

[Proti]

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[pulchr]

well, stairs slow everything down. in defrag, some people bind +jump to the mousewheel and when you hit a stair you spin it like mad, in order to cross stairs without loosing too much speed. so stairs can tacticaly be used to slow incommers down (like on mlctf1beta). besides that, they are often a bit annoying ihmo.

would a sloping surface be better? or is that the same as regular stairs?
if that's just as bad as stairs, here's what i can do:

1. remove all height differences (this will result in a map like oa_bases).
2. replace all stairs with jump pads (slow and people are just as vulnerable).
3. remove all stairs and place teleporters at the top and bottom on all the places where there used to be stairs (seriously...)
4. let the players rocketjump or plasma climb everywhere (noob friendly).
5. scrap the map (so i can go outside and build a snowman).

if people get slowed down in the stairs and can't take that they will have to take another route. i know it can't be seen in these screenshots but most of the stairs lead down into the flag rooms - so they attackers come from above.

any suggestions?

EDIT: oh! i forgot:

6. i can replace all stairs with lifts (that's fast and funny for people chasing).

[PopeJo]

well, stairs slow everything down. in defrag, some people bind +jump to the mousewheel and when you hit a stair you spin it like mad, in order to cross stairs without loosing too much speed. so stairs can tacticaly be used to slow incommers down (like on mlctf1beta). besides that, they are often a bit annoying ihmo.

would a sloping surface be better? or is that the same as regular stairs?
if that's just as bad as stairs, here's what i can do:

1. remove all height differences (this will result in a map like oa_bases).
2. replace all stairs with jump pads (slow and people are just as vulnerable).
3. remove all stairs and place teleporters at the top and bottom on all the places where there used to be stairs (seriously...)
4. let the players rocketjump or plasma climb everywhere (noob friendly).
5. scrap the map (so i can go outside and build a snowman).

if people get slowed down in the stairs and can't take that they will have to take another route. i know it can't be seen in these screenshots but most of the stairs lead down into the flag rooms - so they attackers come from above.

any suggestions?

EDIT: oh! i forgot:

6. i can replace all stairs with lifts (that's fast and funny for people chasing).

ah, it was meant as a funny sidenote, hence the <- behind my "evil stairs" comment.

ramps can be crossed faster, but they look ugly. so you can decide in absolute freedom.


if the stairs do indeed effect the gamplay in a big negative amount, I will tell when gameplay-testing it. (but I doubt they will, unless the whole map is a big stairs, with blue flag lower, and red stairs upper ..  hey, what a great idea for reptctf50)

[pulchr]

i wasn't all to serious in my reply as you probably saw

my plans was to put a weapon_clip around the stairs to ease out movement. this helps bots and let's the player walk up and down without taking each step if walking slowly (works just like ramps). it might look a bit odd if people look closely - but they shouldn't - cause that means they will die...

check out pul1duel and see if that's ok. i used the weapon_clip there in all stairs.

[PopeJo]

i wasn't all to serious in my reply as you probably saw

my plans was to put a weapon_clip around the stairs to ease out movement. this helps bots and let's the player walk up and down without taking each step if walking slowly (works just like ramps). it might look a bit odd if people look closely - but they shouldn't - cause that means they will die...

check out pul1duel and see if that's ok. i used the weapon_clip there in all stairs.

that's perfectly fine

[Peter Silie]

Maybe you should take a look at Neon Knights GoD-Version of oasago2 (oasago2f9_god).
He did nice stairs there together with ramps, so the player can choose what he wants to use.

[Falkland]

... in defrag, some people bind +jump to the mousewheel ...

BTW , am I wrong or binding +jump to mousewheel is cheating ?

mDd defrag Q3 community has a rule for that ; and they've forbidden the use also of rj ,cj , strafe scripts and strafe bots .

They probably have a detect system in their servers , something that could be useful to have also in OA so we will see for sure who's really good at defrag :-)

[pulchr]

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haha, lol. an update to this is long overdue

i've put a couple of hours into this map again and here's a room from the neutral middle area.


blue team have their base to the right from this view. the middle of the map is just around the corner to the left.


player coming from the red base - middle of the map straight ahead.

[pulchr]

gah, i need to make a playable version of this. i'm getting tired of running around all by myself. i want to frag you all

on a more serious note... i should be able to release some more screens this weekend. about three rooms need encasing in a couple of brushes and then i should rearrange the shader-files and the new textures before i can release any kind of beta.

[Someone_mad]

I like that one!
So cool in frost theme.

[pulchr]

one of the incoming routes to blue base.


that's a lightning gun!


open room in front of the blue base.


neutral white area straight ahead and down the stairs.

[Someone_mad]

I will like this map, for sur! 

[fromhell]

holy crap add { detail } shader stages!

[pulchr]

holy crap add { detail } shader stages!

since this won't affect the gameplay of the map i'll put this at the bottom of my todo list.

i was hoping to put up an open beta this past weekend but i'm now aiming for the coming weekend instead.

[St0n3*r]

good luck!
That look really awesome