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I fully support the development of OA. I find it really frustrating that these new people are being advised to enter into what I understand is a test zone, which the 'community' have expressed their own concerns. I believe that part of the community are trying to help.
I respect the work of all the developers. I know it is difficult when working a product and dedicating so much time and effort only to get slapped with critisism at the end result. You don't deserve that. I also know it is a very thankless task and takes alot of guts and determination to move forward. I have made changes to my sites that people didn't like. It cost me dearly. I had best intentions. I got not one single bit of positive feedback.
You are right about one thing, the admins are lazy
Well lets be fair, lets some some of the admins are lazy, some of the admins are cautious about the release, some of the admins arent even aware of this release. I do know servers running in various locations which are basically left on their own, they run quite happilly while the admin may be extremelly busy with real life.
I enjoy Q3 Version 1.16 and OpenArena. The Quake3 1.16n Point Release was released in the year 2000
Using your logic, are the admins of these servers using a release from 8 years ago really so lazy? I just don't want OA to fall apart. I do no not want to see it fail like 1.32. I'm not saying 1.32 is dead, but it just all went in all sorts of directions and split up good communities. Now there is a chance to learn lessons from the past.
Let me quote Maverick comments on his NoGhost product on the noghost.net page :
The moral of the story is that the players are the ones who truly created this server mod; I just acted as the catalyst to code up those ideas. If players and server operators had not provided feedback, the mod would not have come this far. By providing feedback about this mod, you, the mod user, are completing the loop and are helping to improve this mod little by little. Just remember, the more feedback you give me, the better the mod will be in the end...
oh, there's a note here about how he went about his upgrade, fuck they dont even have download mechanism or the integrated security. How the hell do they survive?
I've made beta builds available here to let server operators test out new features of the mod. However, some of these features may have bugs in them or may cause your quake server to crash. Needless to say, this build is a beta version for a good reason. If you are looking to run the mod and don't feel like testing new features or dealing with bugs or crashes, then download the production build above instead of the beta version.
The irony is that many 1.16 players venture out to 1.32.. give them 24 hours, they'll be back. Same applies with the people who done the same with Q4. I told them they would be back, they told me I was wrong. I have never been wrong. These people know who they are, and although some of these people don't give a shit about what I have to say, I will drag them here by the ear and make them say it loud and clear, and perhaps they have different opinions regarding development and your own advice of the methods you use to push OA forward. If you want a real challenge, why not start from ground level and make a rather demanding suggestion/instruction that server operators and players to upgrade. I don't think you would come out alive.
I know OA is different, you are entitled and certainly have earned the right to do as you choose. I have been amazed at what the team have produced to date. I would like to help and protect the development. But I do not want new players to be presented by tumble weeds and be rather confused what the multiplayer function actually does.
For the record, I did not feel comfortable with this message here :
http://openarena.ws/board/index.php?topic=1740.0I found this rather arrogant and applicable to those who have a mentality like a sheep. Sometimes suprises like this are done as tests, because you know yourself. There are some people who will believe any shit you tell them, and what you have today, might be a pile of shit tomorrow.
One of the biggest suprises is that I did not recall any specific update to security? Can you elaborate as this is one of the main reasons why I found this update a very silly one. I can strike through every single item in your update as non-essential engine items. And if the GPL hippies want to start on me because they refuse to play on 90% of server because they are using non GPL mods then please do with caution.
I am supporting the stable release, as I feel that the the efforts and of the development team should be protected because what I see is light years ahead of what I *continue* to support, a release from the year 2000.
It is not a big FUCK OFF as you put it. You should consider it a compliment that people feel this way with the efforts and work to date.
If you want to make these comments regarding 'older is better' - then why do you say you want to protect the core gameplay, when you are doing no such thing. Now that you have now thrown the fear factor down as your next card then shouldn't we be aware of the risks? This topic tends to scare many people, but not me. I have become a victim of security flaws many times and damage limitation is my way forward. I have my trust and faith in 0.7.1. Did you read my post where I suggested that there be a post informing us that everyone is happy and it's all good to go. Well this update cost me 3 nights of server changes along with my admin. I owe him big time because of you, I dont care for myself, but I do care about others when it is my own responsibility.
aaah.. think i'll go sit out in the garden such a beautiful day. I cant be arsed doing anything today.
I maybe lazy but I believe my heart is in the right place and I believe my intentions are good ones. I just want to feel secure, and it's your challenge to make feel confident that I am in safe hands
