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I've seen a guy online who shoots too well IMO. The map was CTF4ISH. The guy stood 1/2 map away from me or even farther, but machinegunned me very quickly. It wasn't somebody else to help him, no other's rocket or railgun: healthpoints decreased quickly, but gradually. I saw no bullet sparks around me. It looked like somebody's machinegun was firing only in the cursor direction (while usually it misses a couple degrees).

I wonder if this was a kind of a cheat, if this is possible, and what to do with that.

Most likely, it's just someone very good. If you really think someone is cheating, spectate them and make a demo of it. Then others can look at it and see if it looks like some kind of  a cheat.
I have been called a cheater a few times, and would never dream of it..... Most people are the same way.

ctf4ish is a very open map and the machinegun is extremely powerful there.
all those jump pads and distances make the machinegun useful for pushing people out of their trajectories.

bind a button to "kill" yourself if you know you're gonna miss the platform you were aiming for - it saves time. and makes you less frustrated when it happens.
i usually take the opportunity to change track in the playlist when i'm out there in space - falling to my death :D

Was it UnnamedBitch ?

Ok, maybe it's just a good shooting. It's not UnnamedBitch.

play instagib
imho everyone cheats there

Consider unlagged servers make instant hit weapons (like machinegun, lightning, railgun) more stronger.

I call him Unnamed Kitten ;)

if you want to see what an aimbot is kinda like, try spiterbot.  level 100 spite is excelent with the machine gun.  i have never seen a real player aim this good lol.  its a good reference for what is and isnt a bot.  one thing to look out for with spiterbot tho is don't mix 'smart bots' and normal bots or oa may crash, it does for me anyway.  you will notice its machine gun accuracy is pretty much over 90% if you set it up correctly(often 100% lol).  good luck beating it lol.  if you dont want to download a mod try bot_thinktime 0 and bot_challenge 1 with a nightmare dark/ayumi/major, it certainly makes them respond faster as they dont change movement/aim every 100ms but within 1 frame.

SpiterBot: http://files.filefront.com/SpiterBot+052+Full/;3944324;/fileinfo.html (http://files.filefront.com/SpiterBot+052+Full/;3944324;/fileinfo.html)

0.52 wasnt the hardest spite made, there were other, harder versions.

yes but its all i can find at this time lol..  still hard tho..

I just need to come across the CD at which i saved it, i had like 4 versions- one was just a .vm file and i needed to pack it myself (thus it wasnt so popular). Also CPMA 1.45 bots were easier than 1.46 (the hardness comes and goes).
Qrealka clearly admitted that Spite is the hardest of all bots and it *cheats*. He has 360 fov and 0 ms reaction time, while other bots are more human-like.

humans can be like that too with prediction, know where we will appear for rails and the timing for rockets.  i think its kinda funny how spite calls you a camper then rails you when your looking at the text.

Just come off a server playing 1v1.
I got beat on 5 maps.
All I scored was 1 maximum.
The other player  scored in the 90's
He hit me every time he railed.

Ok I know I ain't very good but.....

He/She typed this into the game presumably missing the / off.

siper_x9

When I quizzed him he said it was an error and wouldn't elaborate


Any Ideas?
Was it an aimbot?

I won't name him.

I'm crap at 1vs1, but I'm not surprised some guys do pretty well with railgun there, and so yeah it can happen to be hit almost every time (especially if you ease his job by not moving that well, or if you stay a bit too long in front of him without hurting him)
Maybe you can guess if he's a good player according to his moves, or by the way he uses other weapons.
Since I play OA, I haven't detected any cheater in action, I suppose only a few geeks gave it a try on some private servers ;)

1v1 can be be very one sided. Ideally the two players should be at similar skill levels. If not, prepare for a spanking.

Don't get me wrong. I don't mind getting beat (I'm used to it). It's just the command he typed in. Why didn't he tell me what it was.
After all most people on Oa are prepared to answer questions and try to help. I know I am prepared to help others with my limited knowledge.
I know people cry cheat a lot and I pondered putting this post up for some time. Something just didn't feel right.
I have read somewhere that there are no cheats for OA. Is this true?

This cannot be confirmed or denied. Although, JessicaRA has provided me with a demo of someone using an aimbot script in OA. I thought it was quite interesting; but this aimbot was done in ver080. But for the most part, I dont believe ppl use aimbots. Some ppl are freakishly really good, they are Anomalies.

If Sombra got caught, then i dont wonder some KIDS may do the same.

UnnamedPlayer  (kitten) is/was me,...i changed model now so people wont leave server LoL!
But after 5 wins they leave anyway :(

Unnamedbitch is someone who renamed after being railed up the arse by me,..then remaned and started camping me ,..he never left his base again ( bit sad why he dont leave like the rest do ) ;)

Not me :D I may get beat game after game but I'm a believer :D I believe I'm going to win every game I play. If I had cheats then there would be nothing to play for.

When people fall out or if clans start arguing.. that might bring a few cheats but these people are a minority and always will be. Cheaters get bored very easy.. unless they are enjoying annoying the hell out of someone who they dislike.

yeah there is only one i've seen(and he wasnt doing it to win he was just testing it really), the rest seem plain human.  if popularity grows a bit i wonder if we will see more.

Yes you are one of the few realy great players.(with great players mean great sportivity not giving up)<--modified
my respect for you. YOU RULE!

go boil your head please

my head is ready

i'll tell you how to get unbelievable performance in openarena. not all of it is because of talent or speed.

good hardware makes a big difference as well. i stated playing openarena on my 4-year-old laptop that had 17" monitor, pentium 4, and a generic mouse. after some time i got pretty good, but not near the top players.

then thanksgiving sale came, and i upgraded myself to a decent gaming rig with gaming-grade keyboard, mouse, and a 22" LCD. at that time i also researched heavily on the q3config.cfg customizations/tweaks to improve performance, accuracy, etc.

guess what? my "skills" went way up! especially at railing. in fact, now i don't think i can go back to playing on lesser-quality hardware anymore - it just feels frustrating :P

good broadband connection helps a lot too (laggy connection is bad. really bad.)

point is, trying to play against those who have good gaming hardware while you're using old hardware and cheap broadband is like trying to race against formula 1 in your family minivan... :D

I also could play better when I used a higher FOV, forcemodels on, picmip 4, etc...

Yuck.  That's not the game I want to play anymore.

You don't need much hardware. A decent mouse and a clear gaming surface will take you a long way.

I really noticed that OA has little of cheaters. Actually i never saw cheater here.
Have look at Urban Terror, there is no day without cheater on only one sever. Same q3 engine, but there are much more of aimboters and wallhackers...

I recently upgraded my screen (17" sucky CRT > 22" LCD), afrter about 10 hours of playing I got used to it and my rail improved a lot. Also, i have a sucky old PS/2 mouse, which keeps me down sometimes :) Overall, you're perfectly right, equipment and config does wonders.


Neither have I. Thank God for that.

I definately agree 100%
I purchased an Alienware machine Quadcore processor with an GeForce 8800GT video card. My FPS is permanently on 125. Rocketjumps are sooooo easy to do and fluid. I'm always on top of my game now :D

That's why I can't play outside of Ar in every game... every ISP here sucks so bad... ¬¬ I hope they waste less money on advertisements and more on their service, but that's an utopia here. U_U

Sometimes when certain players hit me, it just takes a few hits for me to die.  And it happens over and over with certain players.  I'll have full health and get drained to nothing after just a few hits.  So, I don't buy that people aren't aimbottin' on OA. 

Since it ruins the game for everybody, why not have all-bot servers where people can go in and everybody use aimbots? 

If there's any deathmatch FPS out there anyone knows about that's impervious to bots, I'd like to know about it, but I'm guessing an aimbot can be made to work with just about any FPS. 

It was me rajoy, im sorry, didnt want to kill u that bad... it was just that u were an easy target, so easy target, i couldnt resist

Im sorry, ill be good from now on :(

Its called practice not aimbotting.
I bet u never spectate those players who frag u in 2seconds. make a demo  /startrecord to stop demo /stoprecord
Im curious about what drives u to call people cheaters and want to see some demos of those players (besides geting fragged)
Ive been called a cheater 2 because i do twitch-aiming (90-180degree turn and shoot) sometimes.
When executed right  it looks like aimbot but in fact its a twitch of the wrist too aim.
You can see the difference when u spectate someone long enough, because they dont always hit specially not in openarena.

Maybe someone here can put a link to a google video of an aimbot (quake) in action so u (everyone) knows what i looks like.
So your not put off  by thinking that people cheat.

Rudy is right. I don't know if there's some sort of Target Practice mod for OA/Q3, in UT2004 it comes with one of the CBP, you got a drone, it launched different tastes of projectiles (Shock Rifle cores, Translocator modules, AVRIL & Redeemer missiles) and you have to use Shock Rifle, Electric Gun and Rocket Launcher to hit them. Trying to do Shock Combos while dodging and hitting Translocator modules with Electric Gun while dodging too helped me to improve my accuracy in that game. It can be great if some map or mod of that kind can be done for Q3/OA, I'm sure there's something, but I don't know where.

Also is the fact that your hand can't do all the work, you should have a nice PC and nice input too. :D

If I suspect someone of cheating I have always spectated them.
I have never found anyone to be using an aimbot. Never.
They really are that good.
(No one has ever accused me of cheating)

Here's one problem. Not about you, but people who play FPS. They don't know what aimbot is because they never saw it. Then they say somebody is cheater because he is good.

Oh, and BTW, PotatoButt, if you accuse someone, you must show proofs. Otherwise, your word doesn't count and is taken as simple n00b whining.

Do you expect me to believe that a person connects and does max damage every single hit isn't cheating?  Do you think I'm fucking naive?   Do you reeeeeally expect me to fucking believe that? 

It's just a shame because OA could be such a cool game, and there was a time when it was such a very cool game, but with people shitting all over it, it's not.   

There are other FPSs.  Oh well. 

ye

I hate to say it.. but it true :(

OA/ Q3a don't have locational damage. Every hit is a full hit.

OA is a very dangerous game. With full health, half the weapons will kill you in one hit. Pickup a single armor shard to protect yourself.

The rocket launcher is probably the most popular weapon. Aim bots don't work with well with them, only hitscan weapons like the rail.

Calling a good player a cheater is a high honor. Do not give this away easily.

OA has no matchmaking. It's up to you to seek out opponents who are fun to play against. There are server browsers that can help you do this.

Cheating is certainly possible, but I haven't encountered it in a year of playing,

As much as I would hate to say this as bluntly as I can; You good sir, are a dumbass.

as snickersnack said, no such thing as max damage. Rails do 100 damage, direct rocket does 100 damage, direct grenade does 100 damage, full shotgun does 110 damage. EACH plasma does 20 damage. Pay attention to your health, you will see that this holds true.

Quite frankly, there is such thing as people with good aim. Maybe compared to how terrible you are, they are gods. But someday, you must realize that maybe, just maybe, you suck. There are people with MUCH MUCH MUCH better aim than those who play oa, of this I can undoubtedly promise you.

Sorry for the harshness of the post, but one more moron complaining about typical oa players hacking was too much T_T

I havnt encountered ANY AT ALL WHATSOEVER of it in my just under 3 years :P Too many fargin noobs who cannot accept that they are terrible, so they assume everyone else is hacking.

Agree 100% with Gerb.

You want to know what is aimbot, so here is one in Urban Terror. Sudden 180° and direct headshot...... And other aiming.... It is total noob, and aims like a... well, bot!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vyE1d8f9_4

Its bad youtube quality, but you can see what's important.

some here too.. mainly bots

http://q3eu.com/site/modules.php?name=Docs_q3&file=cheats

ya'll talkn bout U namedplayer?

No

We talk about difference between cheaters and good players.

What gerbil said before, when you are bad player good players are like gods to you. I know I suck so when i die i just click one more time and try my best to kill somebody. At least in this game death means nothing. Usually in first round i suck hard, but in 10th i don't suck so much anymore. Then in 20th round i'm first in score.... And i use cheap mouse, keyboard and monitor.

been playing on and off for a year or so i think (havent been counting), and in all that time i've never come accross a bot on OA. Not one.
Bots are easy to spot. If there's even a shred of doubt in your mind when spectating one of these players with seemingly godly aim then they are almost certainly not botting.

my shhoting is terrible, i am the worlds worst gamer

If you're playing with Windows, you can set your old PS/2 mouse for better performances and you'll improve your accuracy. It's fanastic! :) I successed many frags with this mouse! Yes, hardware is important, but good settings are a mark of bloody gamers. :D

jessicaRA would compete with you on that title, even though she isn't that bad :P

Really? I can't beat the second difficulty bots.... I consider myself worser.

Jess isn't bad whatsoever...but in her mind, she thinks she is.

Aiming is hard. But next time make a demo so we can all see and judge. Better yet post the demo to the ban list  thread with that players IP. I believe demos unlike others that request it and then when they get it just laugh it off.

There is a demo of an AIMBOT session in OA on the Valherus website. You can go and download it if anyone is interested.

http://valherus.ucoz.com

I recognized my first aimbot user today. He wasn't very good at all yet he could shoot perfectly. I spectated him and there he was shooting enemies he couldn't possibly see or hear. I often send a rocket or two off to catch a careless bystander, but this guy knew where the bots were.
In the end that is not better than bots on nightmare mode and so he lost to my human intelligence but if he was a bit better he would have pwned me and I would have believed that he really was that good.

You must be very lame to do that. :mad:

Today I've seen my first cheater on an OA CTF server, ROFL InstantGIB. The player is Arch-Rogue. Play the demo if you don't believe me...

yeah, that wasn't very subtle :P

Did we really need that proof of concept ?
We already know we can hack OA/Quake/Other FPS like hell, these guys should find better things to do.

Having a good game is already difficult like that, I just hope there won't be often interruptions of playing like these.

we have a no-open-accusation policy in the RN forums. can we adjust something here, too?

why blame good players like U namedPlayer? that's just stupid and damages good players reputation. cheat accusation may only be done with proof, should be used with care and should be handled privately until confirmed.



but yes, I now have seen three obvious cheaters in OA, too.
we'll ban them from the servers. its very sad, as there isn't anything to win by cheating in OA anway. (unless you count upsetting others as a WIN)

Thing is that q3 is open source. It's good until you use it for good. You can customize it how it suits you. But then people who have no skill try to create aimbots (or wallhacks, bodyhacks) to help them. This things aren't so hard to create, especially for railgun (on instagib). Thats very stupid to me, but i don't know how they feel...

This can only be stopped by admins on server.

some examples for people who don't know much about aimbots.

this is the standard aimbot style, hook in via a dll and adjust aim angles to aim and has the data stored in the game itself to use for aiming.  this is the same person as arch-rouge before.

http://jessicara.co.uk/src/dl/20090507152644-91.121.205.135.27960-ps37ctf.zip (http://jessicara.co.uk/src/dl/20090507152644-91.121.205.135.27960-ps37ctf.zip)

this is me giving an example of what an old style color aimbot looks like.  no i dont cheat when playing for real and you can spectate me for proof lol.  is a poor rushed piece of code i did so ignore the bad accuracy but look at the kind of movements it makes lol.  very low resolution aimbot, it sees like 48x48 over the aim area because it uses the slow getpixel() call which is very slow.  would prefer gitdibits() but getpixel() stuff is quicker to write out.

http://jessicara.co.uk/src/dl/aimbottest.zip (http://jessicara.co.uk/src/dl/aimbottest.zip)

for those who don't know about aimbots watch them and learn how they move if you like and make better guesses on other players.

Yea, my apologies, but moderation just is not one of my strengths *lol*
But rest assured, I always play fair, if you know what I mean...

I'm however looking forward to MAC address bans - that should get us rid of the windoze users