CTF map: oasago1 (Final+1)

[sago007]

It seems that we are starting to post a lot of maps in the "General" section, so I want to post too.

I had never tried GTKRadiant before and things like textures and lightning are still a mystery to me. anyway I read that one should post an alpha version earlier to get feedback on the gameplay.

Info:
The gameplay are not as I originally intended. But it is ok.
The bots seems to like the level.
Gametypes supported: DM, TDM, CTF, One Flag CTF, Obelisk, Harvester, Elimination, CTF Elimination, LMS, DD
The map is now called Sago's castle (it now has a theme guess that)
map-file are in the pk3-file

PK3-files:

Final +1:
http://files.poulsander.com/~poul19/public_files/oasago1f1.pk3

Old:
http://files.poulsander.com/~poul19/public_files/oasago1f.pk3
http://files.poulsander.com/~poul19/public_files/oactfsago1beta2.pk3
http://files.poulsander.com/~poul19/public_files/oactfsago1alpha.pk3
http://files.poulsander.com/~poul19/public_files/oactfsago1beta1.pk3

Screenshots (Final):




Screenshots (From beta2):
http://files.poulsander.com/~poul19/public_files/oactfsago1beta2_01.jpg
http://files.poulsander.com/~poul19/public_files/oactfsago1beta2_02.jpg
http://files.poulsander.com/~poul19/public_files/oactfsago1beta2_03.jpg
http://files.poulsander.com/~poul19/public_files/oactfsago1beta2_04.jpg

Screenshots (From beta1):
http://files.poulsander.com/~poul19/public_files/oactfsago1beta1_01.jpg
http://files.poulsander.com/~poul19/public_files/oactfsago1beta1_02.jpg
http://files.poulsander.com/~poul19/public_files/oactfsago1beta1_03.jpg

Screenshots (From alpha):
http://files.poulsander.com/~poul19/public_files/oactfsago1alpha1_01.jpg
http://files.poulsander.com/~poul19/public_files/oactfsago1alpha1_02.jpg
http://files.poulsander.com/~poul19/public_files/oactfsago1alpha1_03.jpg

[erachude]

i really like the map. it's big, complex and there are loads of different paths that can be taken from one end to the other, so it's got plenty of scope for tactical gameplay.

excellent work. was this all done in gtkradiant?

[sago007]

Well I also used GIMP for compressing and cutting the levelshot and to make two replacement textures (I had used some downloaded texture pack without noticing it).

I used http://www.leveldk.co.uk/tutindex.htm to quickly get to know GTKRadiant

I never played much Quake 3, me and my friends used to play UT exclusively. UT maps tended to be more 'closed' and I tried to recreate the feeling with this map. I didn't quite succed the main hall became too small compared to the base halls.

The layout of the map, from GTKRadiant:


A full screenshot:
http://files.poulsander.com/~poul19/public_files/oactfsago1alphaRadiant.png

[ratix]

Nice map, very playable, but it needs some more texturing

[erachude]

sago007, the link you provide didn't seem to work.

i'm contemplating learning to use gtkradiant. i'm not hugely keen on modeling in it because i've been spending a lot of time and effort learning to use blender and i really can't be arsed learning to use another package. if i modeled a map in blender, could i then import it into gtkradiant to do the texturing? if so, what file format would i need to save the model to?

thanks.

[Ryan450]

oh man I love it! It's fast, its complex but not so complex that you lose track of where you are, some ut maps are infamous for that. But most of all its not cramped like some of the DM maps that are bundled into OA. (no offense to any of those mappers).

This map should defiently but put into any CTF rotation.

[sago007]

I have created a new beta version: http://brie.ostenfeld.dk/~poul19/public_files/oactfsago1beta1.pk3

The textures are now as I think they should be, only the lightning remains.

[sago007]

A new beta available: http://brie.ostenfeld.k-net.dk/~poul19/public_files/oactfsago1beta2.pk3

Lightning is still crap. The Skybox makes the red base looks blue...

[sago007]

I have now decided to call it final. Only small modifications since beta2 (lightning, lamps and flags removed in DM)

http://ostenfeld.dk/~poul19/public_files/oasago1.pk3

[Blaenk]

Sweet! Sago007, is it GPL'd?

[sago007]

Sweet! Sago007, is it GPL'd?

Yep. It also says so in the readme inside the pk3-file. The map file can also be found there in the 'source' folder

[sago007]

It has been more than a year but I still felt like I needed to update it.

Supports most gametypes except standard domination.

Persistent powerups is present in missionpack.

[fromhell]

Can I put this in the SVN?

[sago007]

Can I put this in the SVN?

I consider it final.

But is entirely up to you weather or not to include it.

[Cacatoes]

Thanks sago, I haven't tried your map but it looks quite good.
I think i'll like it, hope to play it soon.

[kit89]

Looks like a very good map, I haven't been able to give it a test run yet(hoping to do that tomorrow).

My only crit from the screen shots is the wall texture tiling effect. Could possibly reduce the repetitiveness of it by adding in a strip along the middle or 1/3 up the walls? And/Or maybe if you split the walls up & add a texture on the lower half showing some dirt flowing upwards, to reduce that sudden stop as the wall reaches the floor.

I like the stairs but maybe add a frame around them? To reduce the wall texture usage.

I see you have a lava pit, maybe add some red/orange lights for atmosphere purposes? And maybe some light beams coming from each of pedestals?

The shadows are fantastic, just the right amount to add depth but no to distract or hamper game play. Though I cant figure out where this white light is coming from? From the screen shots I see red & yellow. The walls should have a light glisten of red or yellow, not white.

Cant wait to test it out!

[kit89]

I see you removed the lava pits from the final version. I really liked them.

Did you also replace the torches with red/blue cubes?

I did a r_showtris 1 on your map to see how much it was rendering at one time, which overall looked pretty respectable. However I was slightly puzzled why you where getting horrible polygons all over your walls.


Notice the 8 edges coming from one vertex, so I took a look at your source file, it's caused be the diagonal cut across the 2 brushes, that should be 2 perfectly straight brushes.
I'm slightly puzzled why you have the floor made up of so many brushes?


For that 2 brushes should be enough.


All I did was apply a separate texture to each face using "Ctrl + Shift" & click on a face, if you keep those button down you can select multiple faces from different brushes.

I also noticed that caulk was never used. I always recommend everything be caulked first before applying textures. I also recommend that all brush edges should connect:


This helps greatly when lighting, as it reduces light leakage from one room to another.

A great map with a lot of potential.

[sago007]

I see you removed the lava pits from the final version. I really liked them.

Did you also replace the torches with red/blue cubes?

Must have been something wrong with my final version.

This map was created before I knew what caulk was and even before I knew what a detail brush was. Ironically they sorta even each other out... structural brushes contains void and everything touching the void gets auto caulked. Structural brushes adds compile time.
It isn't really a problem in oasago1 but the first versions of oasago2 was also 100% structural and took 1-2 hours for a final compile (oasago2f2 on Athlon X2 4200+).

Being the my first map I also completly misunderstood the tips on brush intersecting.

Despite the map's technical flaws I still find it quite entertaining and have used it for a lot of my testing during the missionpack gametypes testing and DD.

Final+1 released 2009-06-26:
Grates over the lava.
Doubler rune.
(Working) Cluster portals
caulk under the patches.