some suggestions for openarena

[schlorri]

Ok, so this is location dependent ? Thats strage, there must be CON_CONNECTED entities then...and these ghostclients have all powerups? But it should be fixed now( i hope )...can u try to reproduce this with the new version?

Thanks!

[chaoticsoldier]

I tried for a about 25 minutes, but I couldn't get the error to recur at all.
I noticed that typing #E in FFA says "0 enemies" now instead of saying nothing - but it doesn't matter because #E is not meant for FFA.

-Added a hitsoundfeature, nothing to do with chat-macros. Do you think there is an audience for that?

I thought it was good because it could confirm whether or not a rocket or grenade made a direct hit. And I could estimate how much damage I was doing with the shougun.
If you take into account the character noises (depending on how much health they have) and the various hitsounds as you cause damage - could you estimate even more accurately how much health the enemy has? This might not be very practical, I don't know.
The hitsounds are a bit overwhelming in deathmatch (especially if you are firing grenades everywhere) - but perhaps they could be more useful in 1v1?

[schlorri]

Hi there again!

Today night there was a lack of games so i coded a few lines. Im testing "fragnotes" like in other games (half life... ull  see on screenshots). It would remove the spam in the chatfield and its really fast to read. I hope you like the idea!
Next steps: -add cvar cg_deathnotice time like in halflife?
-add Team colors for team games?

or what do you want?

and again ... PLEASE test it


schlorri

[Neon_Knight]

Have you implemented a cvar to alternate between fragnotes and the classic death messages or you directly replaced death messages by these?

[schlorri]

Not yet, this is just a test. But this is planned and really easy .

[feidi]

Something to distinguish between teams in team-based game modes would be very nice. I'm not sure though if there are any other options than forcing the colors of the nicknames to red/blue, have you got anything?

[pulchr]

red and blue backgrounds behind the names?
it could be a paler blue/red that doesn't hide the more colourful blue and red letters.

how do you show if someone "/kill" himself, jumps into the void, craters, gets telefragged or blows himself up with the rocket launcher?

what's good about this is that the text can be relocated to another corner and be a kind of combat log.
leave this kind of things in the upper right corner. chat in the left upper corner. team chat in the lower left. team mate locations in the lower right. and ammo and weapon in the lower middle.

the biggest problem with the text that the game spits out is that you often don't have time to read what is says. you can increase the time it's shown - but in a chaotic game the lines get replaced too quickly.

i think this could be a good start at a hud overhaul =)

[feidi]

red and blue backgrounds behind the names?
it could be a paler blue/red that doesn't hide the more colourful blue and red letters.

If you can make this look good then sure

how do you show if someone "/kill" himself, jumps into the void, craters, gets telefragged or blows himself up with the rocket launcher?

Put e.g. a skull next to that player's name. Telefragging is different from the rest as it involves 2 players, so perhaps an extra icon for that, too (like a miniature teleporter or something).

i think this could be a good start at a hud overhaul =)

Agreed!

[Neon_Knight]

Remember that all the UI stuff (HUD included?) will be moved to the Missionpack UI, since "normal" Q3-style GUI which OA has actually will be gone later.

[Falkland]

Why don't extend nick's color support ...

Code:

// tremfusion implementation
// q_shared.h
...
#define MAX_CCODES 62
...
extern const vec4_t g_color_table[MAX_CCODES];
...

Code:

// tremfusion implementation
// q_math.c

...
const vec4_t g_color_table[MAX_CCODES] =
{
{0.00000f, 0.00000f, 0.00000f, 1.00000f}, // 0 standard colors
{1.00000f, 0.00000f, 0.00000f, 1.00000f}, // 1 |
{0.00000f, 1.00000f, 0.00000f, 1.00000f}, // 2 v
{1.00000f, 1.00000f, 0.00000f, 1.00000f}, // 3
{0.00000f, 0.00000f, 1.00000f, 1.00000f}, // 4
{0.00000f, 1.00000f, 1.00000f, 1.00000f}, // 5
{1.00000f, 0.00000f, 1.00000f, 1.00000f}, // 6 ^
{1.00000f, 1.00000f, 1.00000f, 1.00000f}, // 7 |
{1.00000f, 0.50000f, 0.00000f, 1.00000f}, // 8
{0.60000f, 0.60000f, 1.00000f, 1.00000f}, // 9

{1.00000f, 0.00000f, 0.00000f, 1.00000f}, // a Rainbow
{1.00000f, 0.13239f, 0.00000f, 1.00000f}, // A |
{1.00000f, 0.26795f, 0.00000f, 1.00000f}, // b |
{1.00000f, 0.37829f, 0.00000f, 1.00000f}, // B v
{1.00000f, 0.50000f, 0.00000f, 1.00000f}, // c
{1.00000f, 0.60633f, 0.00000f, 1.00000f}, // C
{1.00000f, 0.73205f, 0.00000f, 1.00000f}, // d
{1.00000f, 0.84990f, 0.00000f, 1.00000f}, // D
{1.00000f, 1.00000f, 0.00000f, 1.00000f}, // e
{0.86761f, 1.00000f, 0.00000f, 1.00000f}, // E
{0.73205f, 1.00000f, 0.00000f, 1.00000f}, // f
{0.62171f, 1.00000f, 0.00000f, 1.00000f}, // F
{0.50000f, 1.00000f, 0.00000f, 1.00000f}, // g
{0.39367f, 1.00000f, 0.00000f, 1.00000f}, // G
{0.26795f, 1.00000f, 0.00000f, 1.00000f}, // h
{0.15010f, 1.00000f, 0.00000f, 1.00000f}, // H
{0.00000f, 1.00000f, 0.00000f, 1.00000f}, // i
{0.00000f, 1.00000f, 0.13239f, 1.00000f}, // I
{0.00000f, 1.00000f, 0.26795f, 1.00000f}, // j
{0.00000f, 1.00000f, 0.37829f, 1.00000f}, // J
{0.00000f, 1.00000f, 0.50000f, 1.00000f}, // k
{0.00000f, 1.00000f, 0.60633f, 1.00000f}, // K
{0.00000f, 1.00000f, 0.73205f, 1.00000f}, // l
{0.00000f, 1.00000f, 0.84990f, 1.00000f}, // L
{0.00000f, 1.00000f, 1.00000f, 1.00000f}, // m
{0.00000f, 0.86761f, 1.00000f, 1.00000f}, // M
{0.00000f, 0.73205f, 1.00000f, 1.00000f}, // n
{0.00000f, 0.62171f, 1.00000f, 1.00000f}, // N
{0.00000f, 0.50000f, 1.00000f, 1.00000f}, // o
{0.00000f, 0.39367f, 1.00000f, 1.00000f}, // O
{0.00000f, 0.26795f, 1.00000f, 1.00000f}, // p
{0.00000f, 0.15010f, 1.00000f, 1.00000f}, // P
{0.00000f, 0.00000f, 1.00000f, 1.00000f}, // q
{0.13239f, 0.00000f, 1.00000f, 1.00000f}, // Q
{0.26795f, 0.00000f, 1.00000f, 1.00000f}, // r
{0.37829f, 0.00000f, 1.00000f, 1.00000f}, // R
{0.50000f, 0.00000f, 1.00000f, 1.00000f}, // s
{0.60633f, 0.00000f, 1.00000f, 1.00000f}, // S
{0.73205f, 0.00000f, 1.00000f, 1.00000f}, // t
{0.84990f, 0.00000f, 1.00000f, 1.00000f}, // T
{1.00000f, 0.00000f, 1.00000f, 1.00000f}, // u
{1.00000f, 0.00000f, 0.86761f, 1.00000f}, // U
{1.00000f, 0.00000f, 0.73205f, 1.00000f}, // v
{1.00000f, 0.00000f, 0.62171f, 1.00000f}, // V
{1.00000f, 0.00000f, 0.50000f, 1.00000f}, // w ^
{1.00000f, 0.00000f, 0.39367f, 1.00000f}, // W |
{1.00000f, 0.00000f, 0.26795f, 1.00000f}, // x |
{1.00000f, 0.00000f, 0.15010f, 1.00000f}, // X Rainbow

{0.75000f, 0.75000f, 0.75000f, 1.00000f}, // y Grey
{0.50000f, 0.50000f, 0.50000f, 1.00000f}, // Y |
{0.25000f, 0.25000f, 0.25000f, 1.00000f}, // z Grey
{1.00000f, 0.50000f, 1.00000f, 1.00000f}, // Z
};
...

[fromhell]

Because it breaks compatiblity?

[schlorri]

Remember that all the UI stuff (HUD included?) will be moved to the Missionpack UI, since "normal" Q3-style GUI which OA has actually will be gone later.

... its working in missionpack too. But i hope we will seperate baseoa and missionpack because most of us dont want to play with crappy NailGun, and Chaingun and other things.

Falkland: extended colors would be great!!! but whats about hexcodes-colors?

[schlorri]

Because it breaks compatiblity?

?

[Falkland]

Because it breaks compatiblity?

with which part of the game should this break compatibility ?

schlorri : Am I wrong or HEX codes should require an extra function to convert HEX code in RGB code :/ ?

[schlorri]

Because it breaks compatiblity?

with which part of the game should this break compatibility ?

schlorri : Am I wrong or HEX codes should require extra code to be converted in RGB :/ ?

Yes...but - tadaaaaaaaa - i've done that already a few weaks ago . lets look where it is

[Falkland]

Yes...but - tadaaaaaaaa - i've done that already a few weaks ago . lets look where it is

That sounds great !!!

[schlorri]

Ah here you go ... it works only for the names at the moment so i dont know if this is needed?
you can set the color with ^(ffffff) = white , ^(ff0000) = red and so on
then we will have to take care of dark names, maybe lock names with an intensity lower 128?

EDIT: This is just a test and yes it looks bad in console and in the fragnotice. The namesize is limited so u can not use right

So Falkland: better implement your idea?

fromhell: more colorcodes will break nothing! If you look in the code its prepared already :

Code:

#define Q_IsColorString(p) ( p && *(p) == Q_COLOR_ESCAPE && *((p)+1) && isalnum(*((p)+1)) )
...
#define isalnum(c)  (isalpha(c) || isdigit(c))
#define isalpha(c)  (isupper(c) || islower(c))
...
#define islower(c)  ((c) >=  'a' && (c) <= 'z')
...
#define isupper(c)  ((c) >=  'A' && (c) <= 'Z')

[Falkland]

The namesize is limited so u can not use right
So Falkland: better implement your idea?

Uhm ... maybe yes because of the namesize issue ... but it's not my implementation ... it's the actual tremfusion implementation.

EDIT : this implementation uses a single char for colors , so eventual name issue are the same while using default notation ( ^1 - ^8 )

fromhell : this will not break compatibility since the name system still accepts to have other chars out of the range 1-8 ( eg ^0 ^9 ^a ^b ^c ... ) ... of course as now they are interpreted (in a way or in another ) as the classic color system ... the extension gives only other char-color associations. Nothing more , nothing less ( or so )

[Neon_Knight]

Remember that all the UI stuff (HUD included?) will be moved to the Missionpack UI, since "normal" Q3-style GUI which OA has actually will be gone later.

... its working in missionpack too. But i hope we will seperate baseoa and missionpack because most of us dont want to play with crappy NailGun, and Chaingun and other things.

ATM every feature (except UI and player shaders: http://code.google.com/p/oax/source/detail?r=133) of the missionpack is included on baseoa (at least in the latest dev version) But you can switch off any of these, anyways. (In fact, runes are off by default on baseoa)

But the punctual thing that I wanted to refer is about the GUI, which is easier to mantain rather than the actual Q3-style GUI. There's documentation for it too. Someone can create the entire GUI from scratch for OA to replace (or improve) the one which is actually there. (And later, that one can be moved into baseoa)

[schlorri]

ATM every feature (except UI and player shaders: http://code.google.com/p/oax/source/detail?r=133) of the missionpack is included on baseoa (at least in the latest dev version) But you can switch off any of these, anyways.

Yeah i know... thats so sad .

Upload : new version of deathnotice ... have fun and find out whats new

[schlorri]

Ah...forgotten : Now with trem-color-table(not the same codes: 0-9 A-Z a-z)
Problem: To show the right colors in console -> engine-modification ... should we do that( YES in my Opinion )?

But with names it works( centerprint ... )

[Falkland]

Ah...forgotten : Now with trem-color-table(not the same codes: 0-9 A-Z a-z)
Problem: To show the right colors in console -> engine-modification ... should we do that( YES in my Opinion )?

Agree ... a modification for making console drawing extended colors ... it should be done in cl_console.c or so.

EDIT : DONG !!!!

No ... it's not needed because actual engine is compiled with old q_math.c which has only 8 colors defined ... so I guess the engine doesn't need a modify modification but only a recompile recompilation ... we need only to syncrhonize q_math.c and q_shared.h changes also into the engine tree.

[schlorri]

Where can i get the current svn version of the engine-code? I can only find oa081 in svn

[Falkland]

Where can i get the current svn version of the engine-code? I can only find oa081 in svn

Here : the latest update is the archive openarena-engine-source-0.8.x-7.tar.bz2 . I've made a diff between this and the ioquake3 revision used for this to have OA changes , so to be applied/adapted to the latest ioquake3 revision. I'm also using the patchset I've listed in the development binaries thread plus some other changes ... maybe I should reorganize a bit the tree and post the full archive and/or the global patch or the single patches here ...

[schlorri]

Where can i get the current svn version of the engine-code? I can only find oa081 in svn

Here : the latest update is the archive openarena-engine-source-0.8.x-7.tar.bz2 . I've made a diff between this and the ioquake3 revision used for this to have OA changes , so to be applied/adapted to the latest ioquake3 revision. I'm also using the patchset I've listed in the development binaries thread plus some other changes ... maybe I should reorganize a bit the tree and post the full archive and/or the global patch or the single patches here ...

Thanks a lot Falkland ! Ive build the engine with multicolor support and it works, but there are some minor changes in cl_console.c ( limited colors with &7 bitoperation )
Here is the screenshot