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« on: October 15, 2010, 11:45:51 AM »

A talk page in the Wiki made me think about the "Medals" and the "Awards" in general.
(DO NOT LINK) h t t p s : / / openarena . wikia . com/wiki/Talk:Manual/Medals

I'd like to expand the "Manual/Medals" page there... but there are some things I would like to have confirm.

- "Medals" and "Awards" are the same thing?
- The medals that are shown in the "DO NOT LINK[/b]) h t t p s : / / openarena . wikia . com/wiki/Single_Player_Deathmatch]single player deathmatch" menu are those counted only in Single Player Deathmatch, or also in Skirmish or Multiplayer modes?
- Are only the six "base" medals shown there or there is a way to have also the three awards from Team Arena shown there? I suppose not...
- The name of that award is "Capture" or "Captures"?
- Is there a place where I can find the descriptions of the "powerups" screen under the "Statistics" section?
- Can I talk about all these in the same Wiki page, or should I use more pages? Under which titles?

Recap (please correct me if something is wrong):
- Accuracy, Excellent, Frags, Gauntlet, Impressive, Perfect, Assist, Defence, Capture: shown on screen and pronunced by the announcer in any gametype you play, offline or online, in the moment when you get one.
- Accuracy, Excellent, Frags, Gauntlet, Impressive, Perfect: count of how much of them gained in "Single Player Deathmatch" mode (not Skirmish/Multiplayer), shown in that screen only.
- Accuracy, Perfect and Frags awards not shown in "Statistic" section, but total number of kills (more accurate than the Frags award) shown in "general" page there.
- Gauntlet, Impressive, Excellent, Capture, Assist, Defend: count of how much of them gained against human player is "awards" page under the "Statistics" section.
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« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2010, 12:55:32 PM »

- Is there a place where I can find the descriptions of the "powerups" screen under the "Statistics" section?
Quad kills - Players killed while you had quad
2 fast 4 U - Players killed while you held the speed-powerup
They didn't see me - Kills while you where invisible
Killing machine - Kills while you had at least 2 powerups
Counter quad - Killed a player that had quad
Not fast enough - Killed a player that had the speed powerup
You cannot hide - Killed an invisible player
Fall deep - Killed a player that had the flight powerup
Counter battlesuit - Killed a player that had battlesuit
Counter regen - Killed a player that had the regen powerup
Counter multi - Killed a player that had more than one powerup.

"Killing machine" and "Counter multi" stacks with the actual powerups.
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« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2010, 12:57:41 PM »

- Are only the six "base" medals shown there or there is a way to have also the three awards from Team Arena shown there? I suppose not...
They are not from team arena but they are irrelevant for deathmatch and therefore also irrelevant for the single player campaign.
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« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2010, 01:35:30 PM »

You're right... at least "defense" and "capture" are in baseq3... It seems that this page is not correct...
(But in a quick test, I've not been able to get an "assist" in Q3A...)

With "Killing machine" and "Counter multi" stacks with the actual powerups do you mean this? That, for example, if you have one kill having both "quad damage" and "haste", you will see:
- Quad kills: 1
- 2 fast 4 U: 1
- Killing machine 1
(all coming from the same frag)
Right?

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« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2010, 02:03:28 PM »

With "Killing machine" and "Counter multi" stacks with the actual powerups do you mean this? That, for example, if you have one kill having both "quad damage" and "haste", you will see:
- Quad kills: 1
- 2 fast 4 U: 1
- Killing machine 1
(all coming from the same frag)
Right?
Yes
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« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2010, 07:19:20 PM »

"Medals" and "Awards" are the same thing?
Yes. The words "Medals" and "Awards" can be used interchangeably.

The name of that award is "Capture" or "Captures"?
I'd go with "Capture".
eg: "To earn the Capture award" sounds better than "To earn the Captures" award.

The medals that are shown in the "DO NOT LINK[/b]) h t t p s : / / openarena . wikia . com/wiki/Single_Player_Deathmatch]single player deathmatch" menu are those counted only in Single Player Deathmatch, or also in Skirmish or Multiplayer modes?
Those medals are only counted in the tier matches.  (Actually, skirmish medals are not recorded anywhere, and only multiplayer statistics against humans are recorded in the "Statistics" page)

Accuracy, Perfect and Frags awards not shown in "Statistic" section, but total number of kills (more accurate than the Frags award) shown in "general" page there.
The total number of kills is not more accurate than the frags award. They record different data.
The "Frags" award only counts frags against the bots in tier matches. The "Total kills" in the statistics page only counts frags against human players in multiplayer games.

The "Frags" award rounds down to the nearest hundred, but you can see the exact amount in your config. Search for g_spAwards in your q3config.cfg. Its value is something like this:
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seta g_spAwards "\a4\987\a3\3\a2\198\a1\74"
a4 is the value of the Frags award. Mine is actually 987, but in the menu it will only display "900"

For reference:
a5 = Perfect
a4 = Frags
a3 = Gauntlet
a2 = Excellent
a1 = Impressive
a0 = Accuracy



Can I talk about all these in the same Wiki page, or should I use more pages? Under which titles?
You should probably first have a page that simply describes the medals in general. Then, wherever the medals are displayed in OA (in the single player menu, in the statistics section etc), you can mention them in the specific page that addresses that menu, and then refer the reader to the Medals page.

For the descriptions, I would use one page in two sections. Something like this:
Standard Medals
Accuracy
Excellent
Gauntlet
Impressive
Frags
Perfect
(Describe them and mention that the first 4 occur in absolutely any game you play, while the last 2 are only relevant to the single player campaign. All of them are displayed as soon as you earn them (the last 2 are only shown at the conclusion of the match, because they can not be guaranteed until the match is over.)

Capture the Flag Medals
Assist
Capture
Defence
(Describe them and mention that they are unique to this gametype. They are shown when you earn them.)
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« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2010, 05:07:21 AM »

(Describe them and mention that the first 4 occur in absolutely any game you play, while the last 2 are only relevant to the single player campaign. All of them are displayed as soon as you earn them (the last 2 are only shown at the conclusion of the match, because they can not be guaranteed until the match is over.)
I suppose that also the "accuracy" award is calculated only at the end of the match... right?
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« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2010, 05:13:24 AM »

Yes, that's right. (Sorry, my mistake).
That award is also not used in multiplayer.
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« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2010, 10:01:47 AM »

Ok guys.
I updated the DO NOT LINK[/b]) h t t p s : / / openarena . wikia . com/wiki/Manual/Medals]Manual/Medals page and created the DO NOT LINK[/b]) h t t p s : / / openarena . wikia . com/wiki/Manual/Statistics]Manual/Statistics page.
Please take a look to them, maybe I forget something.

And how's a way to describe the "Assist" medal?

PS: It would be nice to add the description of the "powerups awards" in the "statistics" screen (a text appearing while you mouseover a line should be good), what do you think about it?
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« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2010, 11:07:27 AM »

IIRC Assist is given if you get back your flag 15 seconds before an actual point taken in CTF.

AFAIK this is included also in Quake 3, Gig. This is a bit hard to test, yeah. And it has its own bugs... once I could assist myself... Cheesy
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« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2010, 02:08:20 PM »

PS: It would be nice to add the description of the "powerups awards" in the "statistics" screen (a text appearing while you mouseover a line should be good), what do you think about it?
Yes that would be nice.

And it has its own bugs... once I could assist myself... Cheesy
ioquake3 removed this... however it was an easy way to get the assist medal. There by changing the  definition of assist was "Return the enemy flag <3 seconds before a capture" to "Return the enemy flag <3 seconds before a teammate makes a capture".

It was not logical that you could assist yourself.
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« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2010, 04:31:00 PM »

And it has its own bugs... once I could assist myself... Cheesy
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« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2010, 10:45:48 AM »

3 Seconds (as Sago said)?
15 seconds (as Graion said)?
This page (unofficial and about Team Arena) says:
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You'll get an assist when you return the flag in a certain time frame or when you frag the carrier of your frag.
Sometimes I killed the carrier of my flag, but it wasn't enough to get the award.

The Quake 3 Readme, instead, did not mention the "assist" word, but reported this table for the individual scoring during CTF matches.
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Capture - 5 Points awarded to each player on the team.
Frag (Kill) - 1 Point
Killing Flag Carrier  -  3 Points (1 point for the Frag, and 2 points because he had the flag).
Returning Flag to Base - 1 Point
Defending the Flag Carrier - 2 Points (1 point for the Frag, and 1 point for defending the flag carrier).
        --You are awarded these points if you Frag an opposing player who is in the immediate vicinity, AND has inflicted damage to the flag carrier within approximately the last 5 seconds.
Are they correct also in OpenArena? I suppose we should write them in our Manual, somewhere...

In this page, instead, it seems there is the readme file for Q3 pointrelease 1.25... it says that
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Assist
This medal is awarded whenever the player actively participates in a capture being made. Active participation includes carrying the flag part of the way, or close proximity defense (fragging attackers) of the flag carrier close to the time the capture is made.
But that page is quite strange, take a look to the strange values in the "ACTION POINTS EXPLANATION" table there...

Guys, I really don't know what to think... (and, obviously, what to write)...
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« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2010, 11:19:39 AM »

You get assist award only when you return the flag. I don't know the exact timeframe, I'm just guessing, so I think Sago is correct.
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« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2010, 04:43:21 PM »

3 Seconds (as Sago said)?
15 seconds (as Graion said)?
Source code says 10 seconds... I always felt it was shorter.
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« Reply #15 on: October 19, 2010, 09:10:39 AM »

Then, the "official" description of the "assist" medal is... ?
"Return the enemy flag your flag within ten seconds before a teammate of yours makes a capture" ?

And what about the "individual scores" I mentioned from the Q3 Readme here? Are they correct?
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« Reply #16 on: October 19, 2010, 09:54:36 AM »

Then, the "official" description of the "assist" medal is... ?
"Return the enemy flag your flag within ten seconds before a teammate of yours makes a capture" ?

And what about the "individual scores" I mentioned from the Q3 Readme here? Are they correct?

Source code:
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#define CTF_CAPTURE_BONUS       5       // what you get for capture
#define CTF_TEAM_BONUS          0       // what your team gets for capture
#define CTF_RECOVERY_BONUS      1       // what you get for recovery
#define CTF_FLAG_BONUS          0       // what you get for picking up enemy flag
#define CTF_FRAG_CARRIER_BONUS  2       // what you get for fragging enemy flag carrier
#define CTF_FLAG_RETURN_TIME    40000   // seconds until auto return

#define CTF_CARRIER_DANGER_PROTECT_BONUS    2   // bonus for fraggin someone who has recently hurt your flag carrier
#define CTF_CARRIER_PROTECT_BONUS           1   // bonus for fraggin someone while either you or your target are near your flag carrier
#define CTF_FLAG_DEFENSE_BONUS              1   // bonus for fraggin someone while either you or your target are near your flag
#define CTF_RETURN_FLAG_ASSIST_BONUS        1   // awarded for returning a flag that causes a capture to happen almost immediately
#define CTF_FRAG_CARRIER_ASSIST_BONUS       2   // award for fragging a flag carrier if a capture happens almost immediately
Some are 0 because they give no bonus in baseoa. Missionpack gives considerably more points for doing team tasks.
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« Reply #17 on: October 20, 2010, 01:31:40 AM »

Sorry for going offtopic a bit, but is there a command not to show awards? Thought I once read about it, something like cg_drawawards, but can't find it anymore.
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« Reply #18 on: October 20, 2010, 02:23:44 AM »

Try /cg_drawRewards 0
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« Reply #19 on: October 20, 2010, 10:12:57 AM »

It seems to be. I did a quick try, and it seems that the icon over the head of the player is not shown, and if you are that player, you will not see the icon on the screen (but you sill hear the announcer). Right?
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« Reply #20 on: October 20, 2010, 01:58:22 PM »

Try /cg_drawRewards 0
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For me it's mostly for the icon above other players' heads, I'm mostly playing CTF and when I don't see the teammate icon but another one I don't know if it's a teammate or not (and I don't like forceplayermodel). Makes me doubt a bit, respond slower, and a couple times getting killed cause of that (or I pushed a teammate the wrong way a few times too).
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« Reply #21 on: October 21, 2010, 03:16:55 PM »

It seems a nice idea, RMF. I'm going to update the wiki pages.

In the meanwhile, I'd like to ask another thing: what's about the "Killing spree"?
It seems it is not exacly a "medal" right now (it does not has got an icon, right?), but for some aspects it is similar to them, right?

Will it become a "real" medal in the next versions, or it will remain like it is now? Should we talk about it in the "medals" page, even if it not exactly a medal?

Well, let's see what we may write about it...
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The "Killing spree" is another simple award, even if not exacly a "medal". It does not have an icon, and it is not shown or stored after the match. When an "X" player scores 5 frags without dying even once, a text will appar in the console, informing all the players that "X is on a killing spree with 5 frags". If he scores 5 more frags without dying even once, the console will inform that "X is on a killing spree with 10 frags", and so on.
Did I explained correctly?
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« Reply #22 on: October 21, 2010, 03:24:11 PM »

You can also add Killing Spree messages can be customized, check OAX's wiki pages for more infos.
I doubt it will become a "real medal" in coming versions, because most developpers are not as punctilious as you are ... it has been designed as an optionnal addition from the start.
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« Reply #23 on: October 21, 2010, 03:54:11 PM »

"Killing spree" customizable? I will have to check... but tomorrow...

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« Reply #24 on: October 22, 2010, 12:29:40 AM »

Killing spree is coming straight from Unreal, it wasn't a medal back then. Nowadays some shooters give you points for "killing streaks", so maybe a point system would be more flexible than medals.
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