watadry (by *SoS*Adr!aNo)

[adriano]

Hi all!

Well, I tried some mapping (gtk radiant 1.5) and that is the result of my first map :
It is a simple but long (I hope not tooo long) CTF map. Bot play does not work (dunno how to do). And there is some little texture problem that I can't solve. So I think I need to try first the gameplay and then I can do some changes on the map.
I know it is far from perfect, so I hope to see some comments and suggestions. =)


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[Graion Dilach]

Bot play does not work (dunno how to do).

bspc.exe -bsp2aas "source.bsp" "destination.aas" -forcesidesvisible
bspc should be in the root of your gtkradiant dir.

Overall, map is nice for a start. It's just too bright and the red jumppad behind the flag seems to be bugged, I had to jump on it twice to get out from it. The layout is a bit creepy at first but I guess it'll be good when the map gets darker. Oh, and AAS compiled without a bug so definiitely good for a first.

[adriano]

THX. Added bots.  

For the rest I'll do when I have time.

[adriano]

Can someone help me with the missing texture?
The problem is that when I try to play the map offline I can see all textures (+ it is not so much bright), but when I e.g. try the map on a server (on AS*clanarena) then I can't see the the wallbot_BLUE-texture but the wallbot-texture (red) works.

How can I solve the problem?


(wallbot is in pak4-textures, wallbot_blue is in pak6-patch085)

[Cacatoes]

Yo,

- Did you edit your pak*.pk3 files ? Don't ever do that
- Can you move every of your autodownloaded and custom pk3s into some other directory ? And check if it's better, playing offline and joining a server with no mods, like ROFL allrockets/instagib/ctf4. rofl Allrockets is unpure. rofl Instagib is pure.
- Do you have files other than maps in your custom baseoa directory ? These files are loaded and applied whatever mod you play on, so this can be useful or to be avoid, but one has to be cautious with it.
- Do you have the pak6-patch installed in your main game directory along with pak0-5 ? And are these pak0-6 files the only files of that baseoa directory ?

[Graion Dilach]

Is the server updated to 0.8.5?

[adriano]

Thank you Cacatoes and Graion Dilach. I didn't check all your points Cacatoes (but thx although) because I found out that the server runs with 0.8.1, so that should be it.

[adriano]

I'm working now on making the map smaller (because it seems like a cpm defrag map now x:D ). Then I want to add light+light texture. Which build/compile-options should I use for (1.) testing the map and (2.) finishing the map ?

[VortexHU]

in both cases, try using GTKRadiant or NetRadiant to open your map and use the Build menu's commands. the commands marked (test) and (final) correspond to (1.) and (2.) from your question. they aren't really standard or requisite, rather you can use other build options (see the Q3Map2 manual for information on options).

you should use bspc to build bot support. you can find it, e.g., at http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/viewcvs/*checkout*/radiant/GtkRadiant/branches/1.5/setup/win32/bin/bspc.exe. some instructions can be found at http://www.leveldk.co.uk/tut8.htm.

[Graion Dilach]

Vortex, he already have those, he asked for a good combination.

Neon_Knight has once shown his build config here.

http://openarena.ws/board/index.php?topic=2864.msg37217#msg37217

[adriano]

Thank you guys for taking your time to help. Very courtously...

[VortexHU]

Vortex, he already have those, he asked for a good combination.

i'll get better at paying attention to previous posts at some point.

[WingedPanther]

I'm working now on making the map smaller (because it seems like a cpm defrag map now x:D ). Then I want to add light+light texture. Which build/compile-options should I use for (1.) testing the map and (2.) finishing the map ?

As far as the size is concerned: I've been playing it for the last two days and completely enjoy it.  I'd like it if it was marked as CTF Elimination compatible, though   It works well in that game mode.

[adriano]

I changed some things. You can see them here: http://clansos.sosforum.net/t505p15-watadry-map#7235 (last 6 screenshots)

[adriano]

Hello,
how you can see in the screenshot here, I have build some crap flambeaus.  How can I do that in game I can go through it ?



p.s. do you think the light is ok like it is in the screenshot?

[adriano]

I'm working now on making the map smaller (because it seems like a cpm defrag map now x:D ). Then I want to add light+light texture. Which build/compile-options should I use for (1.) testing the map and (2.) finishing the map ?

As far as the size is concerned: I've been playing it for the last two days and completely enjoy it.  I'd like it if it was marked as CTF Elimination compatible, though   It works well in that game mode.

It is only a little bit smaller and I think the new release (I hope today) will be much better.
About CTF Elimination I don't know how I should put this in

[adriano]

And here it is:DOWNLOAD
It is just a beta. For the next release I have to fix textures, bugs and more. Have fun with it (I hope you like it more than the first one)!



p.s. you are allowed to critic it

[WingedPanther]

The new layout makes strafe-jumping a lot trickier.  It IS, however, a nice map.  I really love the drop shoot from in front of the flag to behind and above it.  I didn't notice if the bots use that, but they definitely should.

[adriano]

5 thinks I want to say:

1.)

I really love the drop shoot from in front of the flag to behind and above it.  I didn't notice if the bots use that, but they definitely should.

I saw that the bots don't like to take the way behind the flag to get on the floor above. How you see in the screenshot here below, I was there with all my bodyguards.   Then I took the jumppad near of me but the most (not all) of the bots leave that way to take the jumppad of right side of the other 2 jumppads (at the base) to reach and defend me.


2.)I think there is too much rockets around the base. I should replace the rocket above the flag with a plasma or something else... EDIT: Placed some plasma for now...see beta2

3.) Why have those buggy stripes all around the map and how can i remove them or what I am doing wrong?


4.) What is thaaat?!?


5.) Last but not  least, there still the problem with the missing textrues on 0.81 . Idk if done all right with adding the textures...I just have a folder "textures" with a folder "watadry_beta1" in it and in last said folder there are the missing textures in .jpg from pak6-patch085.pk3 in it. EDIT: Maybe it should be textures/acc_dm3

Someone an idea???

[adriano]

I think 2.) and 5.) is solved now, so here is the download for beta2: http://www.file-upload.net/download-3624422/watadry_beta2.pk3.html

[WingedPanther]

2) I like the rockets, but then again, I'm good with them.  What about grenades right above the flag?
4) is the lift after it's gone up.

[adriano]

2) I like the rockets, but then again, I'm good with them.  What about grenades right above the flag?
4) is the lift after it's gone up.

@2) The rocket is still there, but also the plasma. Idk if the grenade is good placed in this position...for the way behind the flag definetely good to have grenades but for the rest... dunno, I'll see.....
@4) Well, to say the truth...I noticed that, too.   

Thank you WingedPanther!

[Moixie]

Hello ! I tested it quickly during some hours.

Well, to start softly I liked the bases' shapes.
I want now to organize ambushes to careless bots who didn't see me and my troups comming at the 1rst floor (you should add a chaingun... Rambo for life ! <3 ). By the way, it's a shame that there are no items/weaps on the flag's place.
and.. why is there water between walls?  it looks so strange oO
same for the midlle platform, the water in the center makes me sick.. I always fall in...

there are no pedestals under weapons/items, it isn't so important but it helps people to know where weapons are and it adds some more details to a map.

Still about weapons/items, I think there are not enought health/armors items all around the map.
* 2x(+50 armor) at each side
* 2  spots where can heal ourself, 1 spot of 2x(+25) and another one 2x(+50), at each side
* 1 megahealth
it totallizes 250H/200A
for a so big map I would have prefered more armors and a lot more heal spots, something like 4 or 5 spots of 2 +25 health bubles

one last thing about weapons/items, just let me quote a famous author I love:

As a general rule, don't place the same ammo next to the weapons, it makes camping easier.

2.)I think there is too much rockets around the base. I should replace the rocket above the flag with a plasma or something else...

I think you should keep a rocket in the base/near the flag, it's really helpful for a just-spawned player if an attacker just appeared in the base. if you replace it with a plasmagun try to put another one near the flag because the other in on the central way and we must leave the base to take it... I guess this one doesn't help so much.
ok.. it was the last about weapons... I promise !

4.) What is thaaat?!?

entitie brushes feel the lightning effect.
The ones who move, func_door for example, can have diferent place on the map. when it's an elevator like in this case, it starts normally from below to finish above and logic would want it, when it's moving, to undergo the lightning effect which changes in fonction of the position, like in real life ! but it's not real life and a entitie brush keeps its origin lightning. If were a func_door and if you were born under a green lamp, you would live all your life with a green skin... if you want your brush to be brighter on its back, add some lights under it.

3.) Why have those buggy stripes all around the map and how can i remove them or what I am doing wrong?

I have usually this problem when I work on big big maps. it happens the most of the time when it's too well detailed.
have caulked all non seeable sides?

Well, the first time I took the medikit corridor (the one with jumps), I didn't realized that I moved, I was just seeing that thing around me had changed... It reminds me the last time I went to DysneyLand, when you see these big rollers-coaster, you think at first aht it's DysneyLand ! it's the kid's land ! these big strange thing can't be so terrible if 8 year old kids do it ! it's only once you are on that you realize how much strong kids are... it was just to tell that it's maybe too quick, what about 500u/s or 600u/s?
By the way, when you get on your seat. I can't stand men disguised on Mickey or on Uncle Scrooge who check if you put your security belt... it's the worst death I could personally imagine, I can't imagine someone who would decide to suicide into the "Space Mountain" or into the "Indiana Jones Roller-Causter"... I guess it hurts much... (Picture 1)

it's my own opinion, but I hate 10cm long blocks... (Picture 2)
don't make me think that when workmen made this floor they decided to put a floor high of 10 cm with nothing under ! I can't believe it ! I never really checked on a Parking if the floor was so high but I guess it's something like 50/60cm high

I found a camp place !!! ^^ (picture 3)

[adriano]

Thank you for taking time to write so much about it (I love HOW you told it. ). It opened my eyes on some aspects and gave me some ideas for what I can do better for the next release.
But for now I want to play it with some players to analize more and then I'll work for the next release.


About 10cm wall: I know, I know...but it is more complicated than it is looking. If I change the size, I must change 10 other brushes and add new brushes. xd


About base: I had in mind to have not too much advantages staying on the floor above the flag and shooting attacking enemys. So I deciced to place the most health-items not near the flag to prevent that when both teams have the flag they camp and extremely defend the flag all time above the flag. To get some health they need to leave sometimes the base.
When I started to make the map, I had no water as wall , it was all close, just all a wall. So you can't see from above if an enemy is coming or not and can't shoot at it (because all was one round wall). Then I removed some walls but without water between it. Then I thought that it is very easy to camp at base and there I got the idea with the water: 1.) you can see through but not so good (to prevent camping), 2.) you can go through (to get the flag back) and 3.) because it is something new what no map has.  
So to keep the 'water-style' I placed it in the middle of the map, too.

[VortexHU]

4.) What is thaaat?!?

entitie brushes feel the lightning effect.
The ones who move, func_door for example, can have diferent place on the map. when it's an elevator like in this case, it starts normally from below to finish above and logic would want it, when it's moving, to undergo the lightning effect which changes in fonction of the position, like in real life ! but it's not real life and a entitie brush keeps its origin lightning. If were a func_door and if you were born under a green lamp, you would live all your life with a green skin... if you want your brush to be brighter on its back, add some lights under it.

from http://www.quake3world.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=44597:

func_plat:

Rising platform the player can ride to reach higher places. Plats must always be drawn in the raised position, so they will operate and be lighted correctly but they spawn in the lowered position. The plat will stay in the raised position until the player steps off. There are no proper sounds for this entity, only beep noises. It will spawn in the game and work properly but it sounds silly (see notes).

if you're drawing the platform brushes lowered, they should be raised so the underside gets lit during "q3map2 -light" commands.

3.) Why have those buggy stripes all around the map and how can i remove them or what I am doing wrong?

I have usually this problem when I work on big big maps. it happens the most of the time when it's too well detailed.
have caulked all non seeable sides?

maybe snap the brushes and patches to the grid, too.